Useless Labor Party

[qldfrog]

SP Labor lost the war for Federal government but are you so lucky they won the state election

Not here in Qld... At the very least and if only on the pathetic handling of this crisis.
You need leaders inspiring confidence and trust..well...not in the sunshine state
And this is a time when i really do not care about the political side.i know Beattie would have handled that level of magnitude better f.e.

 

[Humid]

Not here in Qld... At the very least and if only on the pathetic handling of this crisis.
You need leaders inspiring confidence and trust..well...not in the sunshine state
And this is a time when i really do not care about the political side.i know Beattie would have handled that level of magnitude better f.e.

Don’t think about coming here........borders closed

 

[Humid]

Just another attack on industry super funds by the Libs
Liquid like the the banks and AMP funds were?
How did they perform lol

 

[sptrawler]

At last Labor may be starting to pull their head out of their nether regions, and start to get back to what they should be about, decent jobs for Australians a future for Australians.
Labor has spent too long being hijacked by attention seeking lawyers, lunatics and sociopaths, who are more interested in media attention than attending to business, Albo may be the breath of fresh air they need, I certainly hope so.
Just my opinion, but this sounds promising, hopefully he means it. There is no doubt, it is the best media release labor has put out, since Keating.
The only down side is the multinationals and miners wont like it, therefore the media wont like it, which means the left wing will get stuck in with the boots.
You never know Albo may be the Trump Australia needs, to make Australia great again, then the working class will vote Labor again.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...ls-for-economic-overhaul-20200510-p54rl1.html
From the article:
Mr Albanese will argue on Monday that the crisis should force a wider change in the country’s values and goals.

“In an era that worships celebrity, we need to regain our traditional respect for working people and do right by them,” he says.

“We are not just an economy, we are a society.”


He says this should mean stronger government action to create permanent jobs and an industrial relations system to lift productivity and share the benefits.

“We must revitalise high-value Australian manufacturing using our clean energy resources,” he says in the draft.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...avirus-economy-insecure-work-covid19/12232654

 

[sptrawler]

SP Labor lost the war for Federal government but are you so lucky they won the state election

I don't have an issue with who I vote for, I couldn't vote for the Libs with Barnett gone, they are a rabble IMO.
McGowan is doing a great job and will be in for a long time, he isn't pandering to the unions or industry, just getting on with doing a good job for the State.
Which is all you can ask from politicians, or indeed anyone, if everyone was doing their best Australia wouldn't have half the problems it has.

 

[PZ99]

At last Labor may be starting to pull their head out of their nether regions, and start to get back to what they should be about, decent jobs for Australians a future for Australians.
Labor has spent too long being hijacked by attention seeking lawyers, lunatics and sociopaths, who are more interested in media attention than attending to business, Albo may be the breath of fresh air they need, I certainly hope so.
Just my opinion, but this sounds promising, hopefully he means it. There is no doubt, it is the best media release labor has put out, since Keating.
The only down side is the multinationals and miners wont like it, therefore the media wont like it, which means the left wing will get stuck in with the boots.
You never know Albo may be the Trump Australia needs, to make Australia great again, then the working class will vote Labor again.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...ls-for-economic-overhaul-20200510-p54rl1.html
From the article:
Mr Albanese will argue on Monday that the crisis should force a wider change in the country’s values and goals.

“In an era that worships celebrity, we need to regain our traditional respect for working people and do right by them,” he says.

“We are not just an economy, we are a society.”


He says this should mean stronger government action to create permanent jobs and an industrial relations system to lift productivity and share the benefits.

“We must revitalise high-value Australian manufacturing using our clean energy resources,” he says in the draft.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...avirus-economy-insecure-work-covid19/12232654

It's all great etc but I don't have any high hopes for change because we don't have the population to support it. Without 1950's style tariffs Australian manufacturing is dead.

Perpetual GDP growth is the ultimate panacea for any nation motivated by profits. That plays into the hands of the Corporatocracy every time. Kinda sux but if can't beat 'em join 'em.

Now we're stuck with 'em. Increasing the money supply merely sped up that process.

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting take on childcare, after screaming for years that subsidised childcare is middle class welfare, a complete backflip with two and a half turns degree of difficulty 180.
Not that I don't agree with the subsidy, just the fact Labor have beat the Libs over the head with it for decades, now all of a sudden it is a good idea and not middle class welfare.

Subsidies for wealthy families are not welfare: Albanese

The Labor leader says his party's policy for childcare subsidies is an economic measure, not a welfare one.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
Labor is defending its plan to subsidise childcare fees for families earning more than half a million dollars, saying it is not welfare but a way to get more women into more work.

 

[moXJO]

Interesting take on childcare, after screaming for years that subsidised childcare is middle class welfare, a complete backflip with two and a half turns degree of difficulty 180.
Not that I don't agree with the subsidy, just the fact Labor have beat the Libs over the head with it for decades, now all of a sudden it is a good idea and not middle class welfare.

Subsidies for wealthy families are not welfare: Albanese

The Labor leader says his party's policy for childcare subsidies is an economic measure, not a welfare one.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
Labor is defending its plan to subsidise childcare fees for families earning more than half a million dollars, saying it is not welfare but a way to get more women into more work.

Its like I woke up in "opposite world".

If Labor drift more to the centre I'd probably vote for them.

Libs are getting weird and oppressive with their facial recognition cameras getting jammed in everywhere. Their restrictions on money, internet censorship, and other restrictions on freedoms and rights.

The big turnoff though is dictator Dan andrews and Qld Palachook enjoying their power trips a little to much.

Not much to choose from.

 

[wayneL]

It's weird innit?

The Liberal Party no longer represents liberalism (in the true sense), and the Labor Party no longer represents labour (in the true sense).

....and 95% if people haven't even figured that out yet.

 

[explod]

It's weird innit?

The Liberal Party no longer represents liberalism (in the true sense), and the Labor Party no longer represents labour (in the true sense).

....and 95% if people haven't even figured that out yet.

A lot of head scratching though,

but yes mostly lost

 

[sptrawler]

It's weird innit?

The Liberal Party no longer represents liberalism (in the true sense), and the Labor Party no longer represents labour (in the true sense).

Well we have the Libs handing out more welfare than labor have ever done and Labor talking about subsidising childcare for the middle class, what a hoot.
The Libs finally working out the consumers are the engine room of the economy and Labor working out the only people who are having kids, are those on welfare. ?
Funny how a disaster, makes them realise, how stupid their previous policies have been.

 

[sptrawler]

Labor is starting to set themselves up for mixed messages yet again, they demonised the older worker and retirees last election, by claiming the retired workers or low paid workers shouldn't get their franking credits.
They were going to stop negative gearing on established houses, only new builds that only the well off could afford to build, then they were going to guarantee them rental subsidies.
Now they are isolating themselves from the younger generation, when the Government wants to encourage businesses to take on younger workers, in preference to older workers.
They really are having trouble deciding who they are in there batting for IMO, I certainly hope they get their act together before the next election, or it will be another term of wandering in the wilderness.
Just my opinion, but they appear to be painting a target on their backs, maybe it boils back to what @macca said about three year terms and a short focus. The problem is the electorate remembers a couple of years.

Government's youth hiring subsidy passes after One Nation backflip

The JobMaker scheme has passed but not without a parliamentary fight as One Nation backflipped on protections for the jobs of older workers.

www.theage.com.au

IMO offering incentives to employ young workers is the way to go, they have no experience and probably struggle to gain employment against 35+ workers, also 35+workers are either established in work or wont have too much difficulty getting it.
Unless they are long term unemployed and probably aren't chasing it, so I hope Labor explain well, their reasoning behind objecting.

 

[sptrawler]

It has taken a long time, but it looks as though the penny may finally be dropping at Labor HQ. The hijacking of the Labor Party by the intellectuals and lawyers has been going on for a years, finally questions are being asked, we already have enough coverage and representation for the inner city elites, with the Greens.

Calls for 'class quotas' in Young Labor to bolster party's blue-collar ranks

A Labor thought leader wants the party's youth wing to consist of one third university students, one third TAFE students and one third young workers not studying.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:

Nick Dyrenfurth - executive director of the John Curtin Research Centre - says the party should introduce new quotas for Young Labor (representing ALP members aged between 15 and 26) to recruit and retain more non-university students into its ranks.

Dr Dyrenfurth, who was the ALP's national policy forum secretary between 2016 and 2019, said there had been no effort to recruit "actual working people" such as tradies, assembly-line workers, train drivers, cleaners, retail employees or plumbers into the party's membership.

He said the narrowness of the party's membership had contributed to the cultural problems and electoral weakness at the federal level.

"Labor was once a working-class party that needed middle-class votes to win elections; it has since become a university-educated, socially-liberal, white-collar party that needs blue-collar, non-tertiary educated, precariously employed votes to win," Dr Dyrenfurth writes in The Tocsin, the centre's quarterly publication.

Young Labor draw upwards of 95 per cent of its members from university campuses, mainly from the top-ranking institutions he writes, and not from the 72 per cent of non-tertiary degree holding Australians.

 

[SirRumpole]

It has taken a long time, but it looks as though the penny may finally be dropping at Labor HQ. The hijacking of the Labor Party by the intellectuals and lawyers has been going on for a years, finally questions are being asked, we already have enough coverage and representation for the inner city elites, with the Greens.

Calls for 'class quotas' in Young Labor to bolster party's blue-collar ranks

A Labor thought leader wants the party's youth wing to consist of one third university students, one third TAFE students and one third young workers not studying.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:

Nick Dyrenfurth - executive director of the John Curtin Research Centre - says the party should introduce new quotas for Young Labor (representing ALP members aged between 15 and 26) to recruit and retain more non-university students into its ranks.

Dr Dyrenfurth, who was the ALP's national policy forum secretary between 2016 and 2019, said there had been no effort to recruit "actual working people" such as tradies, assembly-line workers, train drivers, cleaners, retail employees or plumbers into the party's membership.

He said the narrowness of the party's membership had contributed to the cultural problems and electoral weakness at the federal level.

"Labor was once a working-class party that needed middle-class votes to win elections; it has since become a university-educated, socially-liberal, white-collar party that needs blue-collar, non-tertiary educated, precariously employed votes to win," Dr Dyrenfurth writes in The Tocsin, the centre's quarterly publication.

Young Labor draw upwards of 95 per cent of its members from university campuses, mainly from the top-ranking institutions he writes, and not from the 72 per cent of non-tertiary degree holding Australians.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Labor is pandering to fringe groups too much and ignoring their "base".

We all remember Bill Shorten at the Beaconsfield mine disaster, and I would say a large majority would have voted Labor at that time, but now as Fitzgibbon said, they vote National or one nation to protect their jobs against Labor's climate change policy.

Not that I'm saying climate change is not important, but it has to be sold to the electorate, and Labor has come up with no plan to replace mining jobs with jobs in the renewable energy industry.

How about they commit to setting up solar panel manufacturing sites in the Hunter and other electorates with coal mining backgrounds.

That would at least give the miners and their descendants hope for the future.

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting move by Albo, hope he can pull off the sale of the policy, as it was them that destroyed manufacturing by dismantling trade tariffs in the first place. Hopefully it isn't just an election policy pitch, but an honest re asessment of labor's fundamental beliefs.

‘A country that makes things’: Labor’s $15b manufacturing plan to be unveiled

Labor will propose a multibillion-dollar fund to pump-prime Australia’s manufacturing sector to give the private sector and super funds incentives to invest in local innovation.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
In his address to Labor’s traditionally triennial national conference, to be held for the first time online, Mr Albanese will tell party faithful the coronavirus pandemic had exposed serious deficiencies in the economy, in particular Australia’s ability to manufacture products and be globally competitive when it comes to innovation and technology.

 

[SirRumpole]

Interesting move by Albo, hope he can pull off the sale of the policy, as it was them that destroyed manufacturing by dismantling trade tariffs in the first place. Hopefully it isn't just an election policy pitch, but an honest re asessment of labor's fundamental beliefs.

‘A country that makes things’: Labor’s $15b manufacturing plan to be unveiled

Labor will propose a multibillion-dollar fund to pump-prime Australia’s manufacturing sector to give the private sector and super funds incentives to invest in local innovation.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
In his address to Labor’s traditionally triennial national conference, to be held for the first time online, Mr Albanese will tell party faithful the coronavirus pandemic had exposed serious deficiencies in the economy, in particular Australia’s ability to manufacture products and be globally competitive when it comes to innovation and technology.

Not so "useless" after all ?

 

[sptrawler]

Not so "useless" after all ?

At last a glimmer of hope, it has taken an awful long time, like 30 years.

 

[Smurf1976]

Interesting move by Albo, hope he can pull off the sale of the policy, as it was them that destroyed manufacturing by dismantling trade tariffs in the first place.

If they're serious then I'll vote for them.

I'll even grin and bear some reasonable increases in taxation so long as it's fairly collected and being put to good use for the long term future of the country.

We really can't go on being a country of quarries and cafes. There's a place for that of course but we need more advanced things too.

 

[Humid]

Not so "useless" after all ?

Not when you throw in Medicare and Super........

 

[Smurf1976]

Not that I'm saying climate change is not important, but it has to be sold to the electorate, and Labor has come up with no plan to replace mining jobs with jobs in the renewable energy industry.

At the risk of putting people on a pedestal, it's not just about professions versus trades and manual workers but about the detail.

I've never met a lawyer who won't go straight down the track of contracting and outsourcing things. Tell them you want to do it yourself and they'll say it's all too risky.

I've never met an engineer who wouldn't be more impressed with a production line or a construction site. Risk? Well that's sorted by having people who know what they're doing.

If we do it the right way well there's an awful lot of people that can be employed in manufacturing wind and solar components, in building hydro schemes, in putting up transmission lines and so on. Some of that's temporary, some of it's permanent, but overall it's a lot of people and a large portion of that work's of a blue collar nature with the opportunity for training on the job where required.

I've nothing against lawyers by the way, they're just not in my experience the right people to get this done.