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It is certainly going to get interesting quickly IMO, a large pay rise for the minimum wage, weekend penalties back, next we will be back to shops closing mid day Saturday.lol
It is all good vote catching stuff, but he will need more than the retirees to pay for it. IMO

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...um-wage-under-labor-plan-20190313-p513un.html

All very honourable and gives everyone a warm feeling it the tummy, but the fall out will be interesting, hopefully they pull it off without sending everyone broke. :roflmao:
 
sptrawler said:
It is certainly going to get interesting quickly IMO, a large pay rise for the minimum wage, weekend penalties back, next we will be back to shops closing mid day Saturday.lol
It is all good vote catching stuff, but he will need more than the retirees to pay for it. IMO

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...um-wage-under-labor-plan-20190313-p513un.html

All very honourable and gives everyone a warm feeling it the tummy, but the fall out will be interesting, hopefully they pull it off without sending everyone broke. :roflmao:
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The more people earn, the more they spend, the greater the income for business.

Small and medium sized businesses have just had a tax cut, now it's time to start giving some back to their employees.
 
SirRumpole said:
The more people earn, the more they spend, the greater the income for business.

Small and medium sized businesses have just had a tax cut, now it's time to start giving some back to their employees.
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It will be interesting, I'm seeeing a lot of shops closing, I hope the extra spending exceeds the extra wages bill.
 
If shops are going to close because of penalty rates they must be non viable anyway.

It's time to move away from this Cambodian style of employment. If shops close on Sunday they'll merely trade on another day and more employees will get their family time back.

All up - I think it's worth it. We work to live - not live to work.
 
PZ99 said:
It's time to move away from this Cambodian style of employment. If shops close on Sunday they'll merely trade on another day and more employees will get their family time back.
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I'm in favour of penalty rates being paid but on the other hand I see a definite problem if we end up going back to the days when the shops were shut on a weekend.

It worked in the days when most were married by their early-20's and once married a woman was generally expected to be at home not working. Plenty of time to do the shopping yes.

Doesn't really work these days with so many people either single or both partners working and with longer commutes in the cities so they've got zero chance of going to any shop Monday to Friday.

If the shops want to open then let them open, at present some states allow that but others have rules to protect special mates of the political parties. Nothing bad seemed to happen where hours have been deregulated so my view is deregulate yes but penalty rates for weekend work isn't an unreasonable concept or expectation so long as "office hours" remain Monday to Friday.:2twocents
 
dutchie said:
Terri Butler is a great example of why there should not be quotas.

(see Q&A)
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Terri Butler was the only person on the QandA panel who did not believe in God, so she had to be the smartest person on the night.

If you want "a great example of why there should not be quotas" - Michaelia Cash. Nasty piece of work who steals money from the taxpayers.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'm in favour of penalty rates being paid but on the other hand I see a definite problem if we end up going back to the days when the shops were shut on a weekend.

It worked in the days when most were married by their early-20's and once married a woman was generally expected to be at home not working. Plenty of time to do the shopping yes.

Doesn't really work these days with so many people either single or both partners working and with longer commutes in the cities so they've got zero chance of going to any shop Monday to Friday.

If the shops want to open then let them open, at present some states allow that but others have rules to protect special mates of the political parties. Nothing bad seemed to happen where hours have been deregulated so my view is deregulate yes but penalty rates for weekend work isn't an unreasonable concept or expectation so long as "office hours" remain Monday to Friday.:2twocents
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I agree. Shops can open every day in my view too. But they have to take the choice when it comes to the Sunday allowance. If they say they can't afford to open on a Sunday - that's their problem - not that of every other Sunday employee.

Woolies in Sydney even tried to have their workers redo their shelving on Christmas morning. Happily the (Liberal) Govt said no.

Employers are simply taking the mickey when it comes to IR laws these days.
 
PZ99 said:
Woolies in Sydney even tried to have their workers redo their shelving on Christmas morning. Happily the (Liberal) Govt said no.
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Lucky the Power Station workers, nurses, police etc, don't take Christmas off.:D

It's a shame the Government don't step in and give them the day off.
 
sptrawler said:
Lucky the Power Station workers, nurses, police etc, don't take Christmas off.:D

It's a shame the Government don't step in and give them the day off.
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They are taking on those jobs knowing full well they have to work on Christmas day.

Retail employers on the other hand are continually trying to change the IR laws.
 
Higher minimum wage & higher penalty rates = less jobs, less hours, and more businesses that become nonviable, especially small businesses.

Getting the balance right is the key. Too many pundits talk about this stuff as though you can raise wages, and everyone wins. It's far more complex than that with many side effects.
 
Junior said:
Higher minimum wage & higher penalty rates = less jobs, less hours, and more businesses that become nonviable, especially small businesses.

Getting the balance right is the key. Too many pundits talk about this stuff as though you can raise wages, and everyone wins. It's far more complex than that with many side effects.
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If you want to depress the economy, then depress the consumer spending that makes up 60% of the economy.

Sure you want to avoid wage inflation, but people on low wages are doing it tough because of rising costs especially power, insurance and other charges. Small business has had a tax cut, so it's time to pass some of that on to their employees.
 
Junior said:
Higher minimum wage & higher penalty rates = less jobs, less hours, and more businesses that become nonviable, especially small businesses.

Getting the balance right is the key. Too many pundits talk about this stuff as though you can raise wages, and everyone wins. It's far more complex than that with many side effects.
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There's nothing complex about it - you only have to look at history.

The balance had been right for the best part of 30 years. During that time we went from 10% unemployment - high inflation - high Govt debt to 4% unemployment - low inflation and no Govt debt in 2007... all with penalty rates intact. It was only after the Coaltion unbalanced the IR laws that businesses started believing they could operate with a permanent regime of low wage growth and confiscated employee benefits.

Look how well that worked out. We have the reserve bank stating that low wage growth is holding back the economy which can only be fixed with a minimum 3% payrise per annum.

Businesses and Govts are only offering half that amount. If a business becomes non viable as a result of winding back the IR laws to just two years ago then you really have to ask yourself just viable it was in the first place.
 
Will we have the highest minimum wage in the world?

The question needs to be: why is everything so expensive here?

Just feels like this just adds to the position that we are on our way to a hard landing. How high do we expect everything to keep going up?
 
moXJO said:
Will we have the highest minimum wage in the world?

The question needs to be: why is everything so expensive here?

Just feels like this just adds to the position that we are on our way to a hard landing. How high do we expect everything to keep going up?
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Everything is expensive here because we are one of the highest taxing countries in the the world. That's the price we pay for living in a 3 tier over-governed country. We've also developed this strange need of permanently stimulating a market that has a flow on effect on prices.

Business also pay some of the highest rents in the world. Sydney is the third most expensive place in the world for shop rental.

Instead of donating to a political party to advance their own interests, the business community should be taking aim at the true source of their grief.
 
PZ99 said:
Everything is expensive here because we are one of the highest taxing countries in the the world. That's the price we pay for living in a 3 tier over-governed country. We've also developed this strange need of permanently stimulating a market that has a flow on effect on prices.

Business also pay some of the highest rents in the world. Sydney is the third most expensive place in the world for shop rental.

Instead of donating to a political party to advance their own interests, the business community should be taking aim at the true source of their grief.
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I agree with the above. It's not just taxes, but also the leech industries that add costs to business.
I'm for penalty rates. But when a recession hits, I wonder if the idiots in government will think they can keep wages, rates, fees as are. Especially public servants wage rises. Or do we have to hit rock bottom before they will act?

I've also noticed that a choice of products/services has narrowed greatly. Smaller business is calling it a day in many areas and only dealing in a narrow profitable range.
 
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