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overhang said:
And as discussed many times they dealt with that by selling many government assets which were largely responsible for the strong financial position Howard left us in. Even though this government is already looking to sell Medibank Private there are few other government assets worth significant value that they can sell. So this time round will be much tougher which is all the more reasons that the economy can't afford the paid parental scheme and direct action.
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The economy couldn't afford Labor's overall waste and mismanagement from office which by comparison make the PPL and direct action look like small change.

ULP.
 
drsmith said:
The economy couldn't afford Labor's overall waste and mismanagement from office which by comparison make the PPL and direct action look like small change.

ULP.
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Don't try and justify failed policy's because of the misgivings of the previous government, I thought you were above overlooking incompetence like that.
The thread title should be called 'useless governments' but you'd need to take the eye patch off for that.
 
overhang said:
Don't try and justify failed policy's because of the misgivings of the previous government, I thought you were above overlooking incompetence like that.
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I live with the reality of comparison.

We can't choose perfection on polling day, just relative merit.

overhang said:
The thread title should be called 'useless governments' but you'd need to take the eye patch off for that.
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There's nothing stopping anybody from starting a Useless Liberal Government. We can then say, in 8-years time, reflect on the outcomes of this government's policies.

A Useless Greens thread though would be utterly useless as Labor has no choice but to ultimately share their bed with them due to their chronically low primary vote.

ULP.
 
drsmith said:
I live with the reality of comparison.

We can't choose perfection on polling day, just relative merit.


There's nothing stopping anybody from starting a Useless Liberal Government. We can then say, in 8-years time, reflect on the outcomes of this government's policies.

A Useless Greens thread though would be utterly useless as Labor has no choice but to ultimately share their bed with them due to their chronically low primary vote.

ULP.
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I concur with all those points, all though there is no point as there is the Abbott government thread to discuss that and there is a Bill Shorten thread to discuss the opposition, this thread was only bumped to provoke.
We get it though you think the Labor party are useless, no need to post this every post.
 
drsmith said:
This thread isn't about me, it's about, well, you know. ;)
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Then any post with negative connotations towards the Labor party would indicate you agree with the premise of this thread and there is no need to state the obvious.
 
overhang said:
Then any post with negative connotations towards the Labor party would indicate you agree with the premise of this thread and there is no need to state the obvious.
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I'll state what I like without any attempted censorship from yourself. It was a free country when I went to bed last night and I assume that's still the case this morning.

As I said above, this thread isn't about me. It's about the ULP.
 
drsmith said:
I'll state what I like without any attempted censorship from yourself. It was a free country when I went to bed last night and I assume that's still the case this morning.

As I said above, this thread isn't about me. It's about the ULP.
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It's not about censorship its about common courtesy but you have clearly stated you wish to troll so I'll just ignore your attempts to troll.
 
overhang said:
It's not about censorship its about common courtesy but you have clearly stated you wish to troll so I'll just ignore your attempts to troll.
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Very good then.

I won't have to remind you further that this thread is not about me.
 
Gents, let's get back to discussing the topic at hand rather than provoking each other. It's not serving any purpose other than to derail the thread unnecessarily.

Thank you both in advance for your co-operation.
 
SirRumpole said:
What you are doing is verballing me, and creating straw men, and you are also providing an excuse for the current government not to tell us their plan for how they are going to pay off the debt which they promised to do.
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How about waiting for the May Budget before deciding the government is not going to outline how they intend to pay off the debt?

(This is where I'd love that "sigh" emoticon: The Federal government is not the LNP. The LNP only exists in Queensland. Is it that much harder to type "The Coalition"?) Hope you might be kind enough to indulge my pedantry on this Rumpole.:)

The LNP signed up to Gonski for 4 years, they signed up to the NDIS,
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That's a very reasonable point. They knew both were popular with the electorate so didn't want to say "oh no, we just can't afford either of these" because so doing could have lost them the election. They must have known they weren't affordable and are now trying to find a face saving way to escape.

They don't even have the excuse of potentially losing votes, however, with their PPL as there seem to be very few actually in favour of it. It's a clear captain's pick and should be dumped. Nothing wrong with Labor's PPL
if you must have any sort of parental leave scheme. Personally I think it's time we stopped paying people to have babies. Ditto subsidising child care.
 
Julia said:
How about waiting for the May Budget before deciding the government is not going to outline how they intend to pay off the debt?
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Fine by me. Maybe some should also be prepared to wait for a couple of years while Labor sorts itself out, rather than being obsessed with the past

(This is where I'd love that "sigh" emoticon: The Federal government is not the LNP. The LNP only exists in Queensland. Is it that much harder to type "The Coalition"?) Hope you might be kind enough to indulge my pedantry on this Rumpole.:)
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Oh, OK then. L N and P are fairly close on the keyboard whereas C O A L I T I O N are all over the place.
:)

Personally I think it's time we stopped paying people to have babies. Ditto subsidising child care.
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I completely agree. Alternatively, give tax rebates instead of handouts for family related payments that benefit those contributing to the tax system more. Sounds tough, but if you phase it in over a number of years people will eventually get the idea that they have to share the responsibility for their own children.
 
Labor seems to be stuck in a rut and totally controlled by the unions....they are all to be living in the past century when Labor was formed under a tree in Barcaldine.
....their thinking remains the same today and have gone too far to the left with socialistic influence form the Greens and the communist dominated unions.....this infiltration took place in the 50's and 60's and remains with the Party today.

From Dennis Shannahan

what does have to happen to the Labor Party to convince its parliamentary leaders they are in trouble and have to change?

It’s as if Labor’s worst result on record in Western Australia is some bolt out of the blue that is now the excuse for internal ALP reform and policy reappraisal.

That the WA Greens are on parity with the ALP in the Senate is not a revelation, it’s the predictable result at the end of a long line of disasters.

Indeed, Labor won only one seat in the Senate in Western Australia on September 7 last year when the ALP was thrown out of government.

It’s only because Kevin Rudd convinced Labor and the public that because the thumping loss wasn’t as bad as it could have been that there has been a lack any real moves towards reform or change within the ALP.

In Rudd’s own seat Labor lost ground at the by-election and since then Labor lost Tasmania and barely held on in South Australia. What’s the surprise about the West Australian Senate election re-run?

Labor has been too slow to accept reality and start the hard work of changing internally and looking afresh at its policies.

To his enduring credit Labor elder John Faulkner has spoken out publicly against the corruption in Labor ranks.

He has acknowledged that the corruption in NSW is not a “few bad apples” but the result of a culture dominated by factional war lords and union bosses.

With a long history of fighting corruption and urging reform he has again called for Labor to become relevant and vital. Policy changes and recognition of defeat must follow.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s-in-big-trouble/story-e6frg75f-1226878217260
 
The Australian's Chris Kenny summarises Labor's current policy platform as follows,

As the situation now stands, Labor is set to go to the next election promising to reimpose a carbon tax and mining tax, restart the people-smugglers’ business model and reopen the purse strings to increase the budget deficit.
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Yes, it's a pretty silly platform.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/chriskenny/
 
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