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So what is the success criteria for the China FTA ? A boost for farmers, traditionally LNP supporters, or an overall improvement in our terms of trade with China ?
If it's the former then it's a political deal, if it's the latter then it's fine if it happens but judging by our US FTA in which our trade deficit with the US has doubled then I doubt it will be to our overall economic advantage.
Being the learned person you are purported to be, I thought you would have been well versed on the subject and would have done your research before commenting.
The question I asked is why is the LUG party so adversed to the CHAFTA and why are they telling such lies about it? ....You do not seem willing to give an answer.
So being the learned person you purport to be you tell me if this deal is supposed to improve our balance of trade with China.
As for the Labor Party's view on it , it seems to be more the unions than the political wing of the ALP that is complaining. They have a right to be concerned about jobs and to take those views public.
So being the learned person you purport to be you tell me if this deal is supposed to improve our balance of trade with China.
As for the Labor Party's view on it , it seems to be more the unions than the political wing of the ALP that is complaining. They have a right to be concerned about jobs and to take those views public.
Being the learned person you are purported to be, I thought you would have been well versed on the subject and would have done your research before commenting.
The question I asked is why is the LUG party so adversed to the CHAFTA and why are they telling such lies about it? ....You do not seem willing to give an answer.
I was listening to Andrew Robb on radio broadcasting his hate for unions and the Labor party from China, yesterday. In an obvious act of arrogance towards his hosts, he was at pains to explain how the Chinese could not understand why there was domestic opposition to the terms of the agreement..... does he think the Chinese are so stupid not to understand what's going on?
It's that superiority waft that follows the Libs which got us into trouble with the Indonesians, Russians, etc.
Federal Labor has challenged the Abbott government to clarify the terms of Australia's free trade agreement with China, after the survival prospects of Australian iron ore miners were further imperiled by China's decision to cut the tax rate imposed on its own iron ore miners.
Speaking after the Chinese State Council revealed it would reduce taxes on miners by 40 per cent, shadow foreign affairs minister Tanya Plibersek urged the government to publish the terms of the trade agreement that was struck four months ago.
"The Abbott government needs to explain what it is doing to ensure Australian businesses have genuinely fair access to the Chinese market," she said.
Agreed in November, the free trade agreement is not expected to come into effect until later this year, with the Australian and Chinese governments yet to complete all the necessary paper work on the deal.
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"Labor renews its call for the Abbott government to release the text of the FTA so Australian industry and the broader community can assess whether it delivers promised benefits," said Ms Plibersek.
Trade Minister Andrew Robb declined to comment.
There was debate on Thursday as to how much the new subsidy would help Chinese iron ore miners, with some estimating it to save them $A1.27 per tonne, while Tim Murray from China-based research firm J-Capital said it would be closer to $US4 per tonne.
But with iron ore prices now below $US50 per tonne, any support to Chinese miners will make it harder for Australian miners to survive.
Indeed, the subsidy comes just days after the Western Australian government started offering royalty relief to mid-tier miners like BC Iron, and just months after foreign miners accused the Reserve Bank of Australia of trying to save local miners by cutting interest rates and devaluing the local currency.
Mr Murray said the tax subsidy effectively reduced the cost of iron ore for China's state-owned steel mills, and so did not necessarily cost the Chinese government anything in the long run.
"It probably gives a net break even for the Chinese government from providing these subsidies, so you can see it is a sensible policy move from a centrally controlled economy point of view," he said.
Mr Murray said the subsidy would allow many private iron ore miners in China stay open, and could be an indication the Chinese government will increase support to its domestic miners.
"This could be a signal they will give increasing support to the mining sector in general in China in the face of low commodity prices. We have seen similar actions taken in the coal sector over the past two years as prices have fallen and domestic coal mines have been making losses, we are seeing the same happening now for domestic iron ore mines," he said.
"There is speculation there is further assistance coming their way.
"I have met with probably 20 Chinese domestic iron ore mines over the past six months, and every [state-owned] mine, with one exception, was either maintaining or increasing their output over the next 12 months."
China's move echoes a prediction by former BHP Billiton executive, and now Orica boss Alberto Calderon, who forecast last year that low iron ore prices would force Australian miners rather than Chinese miners out of business.
BHP and Rio Tinto are the only Australian miners making a clear profit at current prices.
BC Iron managing director Morgan Ball said his company broke even in the March quarter and he was not particularly concerned by the Chinese subsidy.
"The reading I have done and the commentary I have seen suggests that it won't actually make a significant difference as far as the viability of the Chinese domestic operations is concerned, it is a relatively small assistance to them," said Mr Ball.
"Our government has done a similar thing hasn't it with royalty relief for BC Iron so it is part of capital markets ... maybe it will help domestic producers on the margins, but if economic rationalism applies it won't make a big difference to those mines that are currently under water, but that is a big 'if' of course."
For comparison, BC Iron reduced its cost of producing iron ore, excluding freight and corporate costs, in the March quarter by $5 per tonne compared to the March quarter of 2014.
The company expects to lower that cost of production again in coming months, and Mr Ball said BC Iron was almost certainly in the black during the March quarter.
"Subject to finalising our quarterly accounts we are anticipating that we were operationally cash flow positive for the quarter," he said.
BC Iron will publish its full quarterly results later this month.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/mini...-agreement-20150409-1mhh5m.html#ixzz3k9Si7nPQ
I've read the text and can't see where the lies are. Yes there'll be labour market testing but everyone knows that is easily gamed (that's why we've got tonnes of 457 visa IT workers at the same time as we've got heaps of IT workers who are unemployed).
I was listening to Andrew Robb on radio broadcasting his hate for unions and the Labor party from China, yesterday. In an obvious act of arrogance towards his hosts, he was at pains to explain how the Chinese could not understand why there was domestic opposition to the terms of the agreement..... does he think the Chinese are so stupid not to understand what's going on?
It's that superiority waft that follows the Libs which got us into trouble with the Indonesians, Russians, etc.
I'll save noco the trouble of doing some research and engaging in a potentially red-faced (for him) discussion.
Chinese iron ore subsidies raise doubts about free trade agreement
Well, that is typical NIT PICKING by the LUG party just to make them look like they are holding the Government to account.....purely political point scoring by the well know Fabian Tanya Pleberzeck who rapped up in her own importance...This a woman who cannot look some on in the eye when speaking.....Most of the time she speaks were her eyes close.
That statement is purely cherry picking on perhaps some minor trivial points but the overall picture is disregarded by the LUG party....What we lose on the Merry-go-rounds we will pick up on the Hurdie- Gurdies.......This is what FTA agreements are all about......One has to give and take a little and that is something the LUG Party do not know.
If you believe that I'm glad you are not running the country.
China can subsidise it's own industries whenever they like and price us out of the market.
They get less tariffs on their exports to us and we get sod all.
Free trade MFA.
There you go again...Cherry picking on on iron ore and you turn into generalization....This is typical of your comrades in the LUG party.
I am pleased you and the LUG party are not running the country again after the disastrous 6 years 200/2013 under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd....They changed their leaders as often as Shorten changed his underpants.
In 6 years they almost sent us down the gurgler and we are still paying a hefty price to keep up with Labor's under funded schemes like the NDIS and the NBN.
Well, that is typical NIT PICKING by the LUG party just to make them look like they are holding the Government to account.....purely political point scoring by the well know Fabian Tanya Pleberzeck who is rapped up in her own importance...This a woman who cannot look some one in the eye when speaking.....Most of the time she speaks either with her eyes closed or blinking....
That statement is purely cherry picking on perhaps some minor trivial points but the overall picture is disregarded by the LUG party....What we lose on the Merry-go-rounds we will pick up on the Hurdie- Gurdies.......This is what FTA agreements are all about......One has to give and take a little and that is something the LUG Party do not know.
Shorten on CHAFTA:
We are against foreigners taking Australian jobs - the Government should do something.
Shorten on Victorian Police/Border Force operation:
We are against Australian Agencies checking on illegal foreigners working in Australia - the Government should do nothing.
Shorten on CHAFTA:
We are against foreigners taking Australian jobs - the Government should do something.
Shorten on Victorian Police/Border Force operation:
We are against Australian Agencies checking on illegal foreigners working in Australia - the Government should do nothing.
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