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I look forward to you providing evidence that metadata retention will help solve crime and protect us against terrorism, especially when the agencies calling for it were unable to provide any. Sydboy 007
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You want NOCO to provide evidence to back up a claim against the "scum ?

Seriously ? Seriously !!

It will be cold day in Hades before that dream comes true ..
 
basilio said:
You want NOCO to provide evidence to back up a claim against the "scum ?

Seriously ? Seriously !!

It will be cold day in Hades before that dream comes true ..
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Call me an optimist. He's always demanding it from others, so just hoping on the off chance he might do it once himself.
 
noco said:
So that means you are quite happy to give the Muslim radicals and criminals a free reign...Good on you Sydboy....and don't forget the corrupt criminals in the CFMEU.
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October is coming but the Govt has no idea how data retention is supposed to work

http://www.afr.com/technology/data-...elcos-seeking-crucial-answers-20150601-ghcroy

You might use a mobile phone supplied by Telstra, on Telstra's network, and billed and supported by Telstra. Or your mobile might have been arranged through a commission dealer that refers customers to a reseller that sources services from a sub-wholesaler that itself gets supply from an aggregator that has a master wholesale agreement with Optus.

In the first case, there is just one organisation involved in the service. It owns the network, contracts with the customer, provides and bills the service and holds all the data associated with the whole show. In the second, up to five different players are involved, each with direct access to only part of the big picture.

And the unanswered questions are exactly which of them must record and retain exactly what information, and exactly how much will Canberra contribute to their costs of doing so?
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"In many cases, there's clear overlap in the way the law applies, with lots of room for duplicated obligations," Fotheringham muses about the irony of a pro-small-business government being so insensitive to the burden it has placed on junior telcos.
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Remind me again how this unworkable scheme is in the interest of tax payers, the telecommunications industry and it's customers? Sounds like Brandis is still as clear as mud as to how it's supposed to be implemented or work.
 
sydboy007 said:
October is coming but the Govt has no idea how data retention is supposed to work

http://www.afr.com/technology/data-...elcos-seeking-crucial-answers-20150601-ghcroy


Remind me again how this unworkable scheme is in the interest of tax payers, the telecommunications industry and it's customers? Sounds like Brandis is still as clear as mud as to how it's supposed to be implemented or work.
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It is working...19 arrests have been made of terrorists with evil intentions.....you must behind with the latest news.
 
noco said:
It is working...19 arrests have been made of terrorists with evil intentions.....you must behind with the latest news.
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The metadata laws haven't come into force. So ah, how could they have helped with the 19 arrests you talk of.

Could you give me a link to those arrests please?
 
SirRumpole said:
We can only hope that Fred Nile will kybosh the whole shebang.
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Seems the NSW Libs had done a deal with Nile

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-bair...proposed-ethics-class-changes-20150602-ghdt8z

Premier Mike Baird is considering stripping any reference to the availability of ethics classes as an alternative to special religious education from school enrolment forms after being lobbied by faith groups.

Documents reveal Mr Baird's office pushed for changes to the enrolment form be made before the election, despite the education department proposing it happen just after the March 28 poll.

But the government denies it is part of a deal with Christian Democratic Party MP Fred Nile - an opponent of ethics classes - whose support the government needs to pass its electricity privatisation legislation.
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sydboy007 said:
The metadata laws haven't come into force. So ah, how could they have helped with the 19 arrests you talk of.

Could you give me a link to those arrests please?
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I did not mention meta data as the result of the 19 arrests of radical Muslims...The 19 arrest were made with the Federal Police intelligence over the past 18 months and it was on a news broad cast......I have endeavored to verify it without luck to now but will continue to search.
 
noco said:
I did not mention meta data as the result of the 19 arrests of radical Muslims...The 19 arrest were made with the Federal Police intelligence over the past 18 months and it was on a news broad cast......I have endeavored to verify it without luck to now but will continue to search.
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This is your response to my post about metadata rention.

noco
Re: Useless Labor Party

Quote Originally Posted by sydboy007 View Post
October is coming but the Govt has no idea how data retention is supposed to work

http://www.afr.com/technology/data-r...0150601-ghcroy


Remind me again how this unworkable scheme is in the interest of tax payers, the telecommunications industry and it's customers? Sounds like Brandis is still as clear as mud as to how it's supposed to be implemented or work.
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Your response

It is working...19 arrests have been made of terrorists with evil intentions.....you must behind with the latest news.
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So when you say "IT is working" what were to referring to, since my post was referring to how the Govt still has not explained to the Telco industry just how the data retention policy is supposed to work.
 
noco said:
I shudder ti think just where Queensland will be 12 months time with the unions having been handed the keys to Parliament house.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...is_is_a_good_sign_for_the_queensland_economy/
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As opposed to the business round a bout in the NSW Liberals

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They must find it confusing to be speaking to someone working for Govt one day, a lobbyist the next.
 
sydboy007 said:
As opposed to the business round a bout in the NSW Liberals

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They must find it confusing to be speaking to someone working for Govt one day, a lobbyist the next.
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Another rotten egg exposed in the Palaszczuk Green/Labor left wing socialists government.....This bloke Williams was hand picked by the corrupt unions.

How many more might there be in the Queensland Labor Party?

I really don't think Palszczuk would be too worried if these bad eggs brought her minority government down.....It is all becoming too hard for her with no plan for infrastructure.....no ideas how to reduce the bad debt left by Beattie and Bligh...highest unemployment...business confidence down 17%...one scandal after another.....It is only a matter of time.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...7380458520?sv=5cb7f60979a5092761c06c722dd951c
 
Tink said:
Good on you, noco, for posting.

As you can see in Vic, it has been disastrous with this Labor/Greens Govt.

Syd, we have had quite a few picked up in Melbourne, ready to attack certain events.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ack-was-imminent/story-fni0cx12-1227347584823
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* Abbott wants to shut down the CEFC - it helps get renewable infrastructure built. Currently it has generated a $25M PROFIT. Why would you want to shut down a Government investment agency that is successfully helping to build infrastructure at ZERO cost tot he budget? I thought we had the infrastrucutre PM :confused:

* Abbott and you support investing in a road tunnel that was forecast to generate a negative 55% return. How does a country with $400B in debt and a forecast $35B deficit for the next financial year afford to invest in infrastructure that only causes debt to increase? If infrastructure isn't self liquidating then all we're doing is stealing from the future.

* Those quite a few picked up in Melbourne have been dealt with via existing laws. The proposed data retention laws will at best catch the odd idiot, but are so easy to circumvent it's laughable. It's insanity that we're adding over $1B in extra costs to the telecommunications industry to set the system up and run it for 2 to 3 years, and then the ongoing cost to run it will be in the order of $100-$200m a year. The data stored is so valuable it will be the target of hackers from all over the world. Metadata is your life. Having access to a month or 2 of your metadata can show just about everything you do in your day to day life, who you come into contact with, where you go, how long you spend doing various activities, what the usual route is for you to get to and from work.

The germans are far better at invasive security that we are, owing to the level of knowledge they acquired from the STASI, and they saw their far more draconian data retention laws offer pretty much 0 in terms of solving crime. So why are we saddling our already uncompetitive economy with yet more costs?
 
sydboy007 said:
* Those quite a few picked up in Melbourne have been dealt with via existing laws. The proposed data retention laws will at best catch the odd idiot, but are so easy to circumvent it's laughable. It's insanity that we're adding over $1B in extra costs to the telecommunications industry to set the system up and run it for 2 to 3 years, and then the ongoing cost to run it will be in the order of $100-$200m a year. The data stored is so valuable it will be the target of hackers from all over the world. Metadata is your life. Having access to a month or 2 of your metadata can show just about everything you do in your day to day life, who you come into contact with, where you go, how long you spend doing various activities, what the usual route is for you to get to and from work.

The germans are far better at invasive security that we are, owing to the level of knowledge they acquired from the STASI, and they saw their far more draconian data retention laws offer pretty much 0 in terms of solving crime. So why are we saddling our already uncompetitive economy with yet more costs?
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Maybe the answer is sunset legislation. Let it run for three years and it then automatically expires. The security agencies would need to show to Parliament that it is actually worth the cost.
 
For the funniest tragedy of the century watch the The Killing Season on their ABC at 8.30 pm.

Unfortunately the making of it cost the Australian taxpayer dearly. Six years of spending, 50 years to pay it back.
 
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