Useless Labor Party

[Tisme]

Agree, overhang.

I also don't know anyone that agrees with the public holidays, just another way to fatten up the public sector, and put more pressure on businesses to close their doors.
Higher costs, less work, fewer jobs.
The Unions are running the show.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...g-out-union-ious/story-fni0ffsx-1227240563983

I am an AFL fan, but I don't see any need to have a holiday, the DAY BEFORE the Grand Final.
It is not even Grand Final Day.

I have been successful business owner and before that a corporate high flyer and I never understood how self appointed oracles who have never owned a business manage to talk on behalf of an sector of the community who would eat their grandmas FTW. These "business councils" et al who advocate low wages, menial conditions and hard labour for food and shelter are part funded by govt to give legitimacy to govt policy decisions and invariably create a vacuum that savvy business type exploit for gain and profit.

Holidays are just as important to business as they are to workers. I shake my head when I hear advocates for Dickensian workhouse conditions and wonder at the persistence the Mr Bumbles broken records.

I take every holiday that is coming and want more so I can enjoy life without disorganised people ringing me about business imperatives that could have been avoided by better planning and more chillout. I also refuse to do any business work stuff on a weekend and made sure I was there for my family and friends instead. That's 40 plus years of habit and probably another 10 before I think about slowing down.

Success is not culling a workforce to make profit, it's not about segregating the whites from the blues, it's about stimulating growth and enjoining the individual parts of a business into a community within a community. It's about going to the footy and sitting in the cheap seats and yelling at the one eyed umpire/ref; it's about clinging to the remnants and innocence of childhood when everything was an adventure, not the copout of cynicism, envy and the mundane.

 

[Tink]

Tisme, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

These public holidays to me are to appease the public servants, which are all taxpayer funded.
I don't know too many people that didn't work 24/7 creating their business, and on top of that, having to work a second job for when the unions came in to shut it down.

Yes, it's about the community, and I have also spoken to a few small business owners and their workers, that have negotiated within themselves on their pay, rather than watch their business go down.

Now back to this east west link - the end of the eastern freeway and Hoddle St are appauling, when is this Premier of ours going to listen to the people rather than the Greens.

The new thing is, he now wants to set up their own laws, where you can ban a contract.
Such a great thing for Victoria and Australia.
Who is going to invest here.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28524&page=11&p=852934#post852934

 

[noco]

Tisme, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

These public holidays to me are to appease the public servants, which are all taxpayer funded.
I don't know too many people that didn't work 24/7 creating their business, and on top of that, having to work a second job for when the unions came in to shut it down.

Yes, it's about the community, and I have also spoken to a few small business owners and their workers, that have negotiated within themselves on their pay, rather than watch their business go down.

Now back to this east west link - the end of the eastern freeway and Hoddle St are appauling, when is this Premier of ours going to listen to the people rather than the Greens.

The new thing is, he now wants to set up their own laws, where you can ban a contract.
Such a great thing for Victoria and Australia.
Who is going to invest here.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28524&page=11&p=852934#post852934

What else would you expect from the Green/Labor coalition?

They say they are friends of the working man and yet they are destroying jobs...Such hypocrites.

 

[noco]

The Green/Labor left wing socialists just don't get it...Paul Kelly warns Labor of the consequences of blocking cuts to expenditure in the senate....The Green/Labor coalition have no interest the National welfare...only self interest in wrecking the economy more than they have already done.



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|section|homepage|homepage&itmt=1425426994137

Paul Kelly warns against the Labor way to even more dangerous debt:

New Treasury secretary John Fraser put the numbers and reality on the table last week in his first speech. He shocked much of the conventional thinking.

Fraser said the figures showed Australia “has spent its way to a structural budget problem”. Revenue weakness was “only partly” to blame and Fraser argued “we cannot continue to finance recurrent expenditure by continuing to increase our debt"…

Labor has never conceded the weight of the problem lies on the spending side. The Senate majority, led by Labor and the Greens, has rejected a long list of spending restraints and refused to negotiate on most of them. The Parliamentary Budget Office has found measures blocked by the Senate constitute $112 billion in lost funds over a decad

 

[sptrawler]

I have been successful business owner and before that a corporate high flyer and I never understood how self appointed oracles who have never owned a business manage to talk on behalf of an sector of the community who would eat their grandmas FTW. These "business councils" et al who advocate low wages, menial conditions and hard labour for food and shelter are part funded by govt to give legitimacy to govt policy decisions and invariably create a vacuum that savvy business type exploit for gain and profit.

Holidays are just as important to business as they are to workers. I shake my head when I hear advocates for Dickensian workhouse conditions and wonder at the persistence the Mr Bumbles broken records.

I take every holiday that is coming and want more so I can enjoy life without disorganised people ringing me about business imperatives that could have been avoided by better planning and more chillout. I also refuse to do any business work stuff on a weekend and made sure I was there for my family and friends instead. That's 40 plus years of habit and probably another 10 before I think about slowing down.

Success is not culling a workforce to make profit, it's not about segregating the whites from the blues, it's about stimulating growth and enjoining the individual parts of a business into a community within a community. It's about going to the footy and sitting in the cheap seats and yelling at the one eyed umpire/ref; it's about clinging to the remnants and innocence of childhood when everything was an adventure, not the copout of cynicism, envy and the mundane.

I also guess in the companies you ran, everyone recieved the same pay and conditions, irrespective of their position.
Because after all, they are doing their best and should be rewarded the same, from the CEO down to the cleaner.

Why should someone be paid less, just because they weren't given the opportunity, or didn't have the ability:1zhelp:

Must be fabulous working for someone with your approach , integrity and moral beliefs in fairness.

 

[Tisme]

I also guess in the companies you ran, everyone recieved the same pay and conditions, irrespective of their position.
Because after all, they are doing their best and should be rewarded the same, from the CEO down to the cleaner.

Why should someone be paid less, just because they weren't given the opportunity, or didn't have the ability:1zhelp:

Must be fabulous working for someone with your approach , integrity and moral beliefs in fairness.

Yeah yeah, clever boy mincing words to troll ... what's your claim to successful management and business owner, without making it up?

 

[Tisme]

Tisme, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

These public holidays to me are to appease the public servants, which are all taxpayer funded.
I don't know too many people that didn't work 24/7 creating their business, and on top of that, having to work a second job for when the unions came in to shut it down.

Yes, it's about the community, and I have also spoken to a few small business owners and their workers, that have negotiated within themselves on their pay, rather than watch their business go down.

Now back to this east west link - the end of the eastern freeway and Hoddle St are appauling, when is this Premier of ours going to listen to the people rather than the Greens.

The new thing is, he now wants to set up their own laws, where you can ban a contract.
Such a great thing for Victoria and Australia.
Who is going to invest here.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28524&page=11&p=852934#post852934

Absolutely Tink, I'm just saying that one size doesn't fit all and yes I have profited from competitors thinking they can offer the same worker incentives without looking at the productivity gains and leadership required. I too have run in with the unions on occasions and it leaves me seething, but then I have run in with clients who have also left me wanting blood on the streets.

I agree with you that govts should not reward their core supporters, but obviously any unwarranted legacy punishments should be removed. Unions blockading, work to rules, intimidating, closed shop, WH&S shutdowns etc are poor form and agitators held to account.

My biggest fear with Labor in QLD is they go off on their quest to be all things to all men rather than letting us get on with the job with the goal posts concreted in for a decent time.

 

[noco]

I wondered how long it would take Palazczuk to realize she will have to sell assets to pay off Bligh's $80 billion debt.
Now Palaszczuk is trying to back flip on the size of the assets.....So why didn't she define it before the election...Of course if she had, then, she would not be premier today.

And now the Labor Party in NSW are asking voters to fall for the same three card trick Labor put over the Queensland voters....NSW Labor is on Palazczuk's band wagon of no asset sales. What a lot of cronies these Labor People are.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...sset-sales-issue/story-fnihsrf2-1227248238845

 

[explod]

Noco, you bang on with empty rubbish.

Lets think back to the sale of Telstra. The amount realised into Government coffers at that time was only four times annual earnings. Or if you like the annual revenue from Telstra was 25% of the sale price. Like thefull price from the one off sale into our coffers every four years. And we have made the same mistake with many other essential services over the years. Power and water to name a few.

Sure we have reduced the public service, but that in turn has increased the dole recipients. And privatisation of employment services has led to huge corruption by companies (offshore too) ripping off the people of Australia.

And our deficits. They are reduced by productivity and fair taxation by those who are earning well. Such as the Reinhardts, the crooked employment services and offshore companies.

We can grow and breed all of our own food and to stop live exports would revitalise very many country towns across the full depth and spread of this wonderful country.

I am not speaking as a leftie communist, just common sense here and proffering what we in fact enjoyed under Liberal Prime Ministers such as Menzies and Fraser.

Australia needs to be taken off the Forsale list, it belongs to each and everyone of us.

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah yeah, clever boy mincing words to troll ... what's your claim to successful management and business owner, without making it up?

Not trolling at all, I just get a bit fed up with your supercilious self righteous statements.
I made a statement that you wouldn't have had a flat pay and incentive scheme, in your business or in a business you managed.
Yet you claim the high moral ground, for championing the down trodden that haven't had the opportunity or the ability to further themselves, it might sound great at the bbq, here it sounds shallow.

You are the one constantly having shots at posters with a conservative leaning, so most of your posts could be classed as trolling. Constantly making disparaging sweeping statements about their lack of concern for those less fortunate. Again that is your opinion, we have heard it endlessly, it is bordering on trolling.

I don't have to espouse my career achievements, to all and sundry as I'm sure no one is really interested.

But I will say, I have always lived by the ethos of helping people, as I am currently doing.

But it is foolish to think, the underprivileged are better served, by ignoring the sustainability of the system.

 

[noco]

Noco, you bang on with empty rubbish.

Lets think back to the sale of Telstra. The amount realised into Government coffers at that time was only four times annual earnings. Or if you like the annual revenue from Telstra was 25% of the sale price. Like thefull price from the one off sale into our coffers every four years. And we have made the same mistake with many other essential services over the years. Power and water to name a few.

Sure we have reduced the public service, but that in turn has increased the dole recipients. And privatisation of employment services has led to huge corruption by companies (offshore too) ripping off the people of Australia.

And our deficits. They are reduced by productivity and fair taxation by those who are earning well. Such as the Reinhardts, the crooked employment services and offshore companies.

We can grow and breed all of our own food and to stop live exports would revitalise very many country towns across the full depth and spread of this wonderful country.

I am not speaking as a leftie communist, just common sense here and proffering what we in fact enjoyed under Liberal Prime Ministers such as Menzies and Fraser.

Australia needs to be taken off the Forsale list, it belongs to each and everyone of us.

What has your empty rhetoric got to do with Palaszczuk in Queensland.....She made a promise never to sell Queensland's assets and now she is trying weasel her way around it.....You don't seem to want to accept the truth so you diversify into Federal Politics....Typical.

 

[Tisme]

Not trolling at all, .

Yes you are. You are indignant at someone not agreeing with your politics and you know it.

You think labelling me anti LNP is somehow an insult, predicated on your own opinion. You might as well label me anti Lab and anti Green too because that would round out the truth of the matter. Can you handle that there are people out there who just want good govt regardless of political tribalism?

 

[Tisme]

I wondered how long it would take Palazczuk to realize she will have to sell assets to pay off Bligh's $80 billion debt.
Now Palaszczuk is trying to back flip on the size of the assets.....So why didn't she define it before the election...Of course if she had, then, she would not be premier today.

And now the Labor Party in NSW are asking voters to fall for the same three card trick Labor put over the Queensland voters....NSW Labor is on Palazczuk's band wagon of no asset sales. What a lot of cronies these Labor People are.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...sset-sales-issue/story-fnihsrf2-1227248238845

I heard on the radio that Annastacia was being recruited by NSW Labor. Does LIB NSW have the same nastiness that the Newman Govt did?

 

[sptrawler]

Yes you are. You are indignant at someone not agreeing with your politics and you know it.

You think labelling me anti LNP is somehow an insult, predicated on your own opinion. You might as well label me anti Lab and anti Green too because that would round out the truth of the matter. Can you handle that there are people out there who just want good govt regardless of political tribalism?

That again, is just your wonderment, at your own verbosity.

Tribalism was epitomised by the the last Labor Government, and was highlighted by the mass exodus of senior ministers and members.
Again, just because you like fantasy writing, doest make it true.

The Labor party lost some of its finest, due to tribal infighting, some were putting personal survival or personal gain, before party principles.

I'm from blue collar background and don't espouse to your greatness, however I can tell you from a blue collar background, the Labor Party has been hijacked by chardonay socialists.

The last thing they represent is the rank and file, that's why union membership is at all time lows, and caring and sharing lawyers are at all time highs in the labor party.
So high flying corporate businessman and successfull business owner, was everyone on your payroll on similar money or were the plebs, still the plebs?

Having said all that, I am gratefull that you feel sorry for my plight and I tip my hat to that.

Labor has become a lazy lawyers way into a lifetime income.IMO That's a perception that is evolving.

 

[Ferret]

Does LIB NSW have the same nastiness that the Newman Govt did?

No. Baird is doing a pretty good job.

His intention to sell off power assets will cost him some votes, but he should still get back in.

Probably time for a NSW election thread.

 

[IFocus]

I'm from blue collar background and don't espouse to your greatness, however I can tell you from a blue collar background, the Labor Party has been hijacked by chardonay socialists.

Just out of interest based on what?

The last Labor governments that you hated so much actually looked after the bottom end while your current heroes have done nothing but rape the same people stupid.

 

[drsmith]

IF,

Have you been fed cat litter tonight instead of bird seed ?

 

[sptrawler]

Just out of interest based on what?

The last Labor governments that you hated so much actually looked after the bottom end while your current heroes have done nothing but rape the same people stupid.

Wondered when a landlord, would jump in to back up the corporate high flyer.lol

The Labor Government did nothing to protect the bottom end, they threw them a $900 cheque, that is costing them heaps.

Also it will cost more as the debt balloons to pay for the batts, the school halls. The dumb carbon tax that increased the cost of the only advantage we had, cheap power.

Sent most marginal manufacturing offshore immediately, even the solar panel manufacturer, that had been producing here for 25 years.

You all want to talk up your heart warming rhetoric, but switch off from the realities, but love the cheap shot.

The mining tax, how would that be working now? Dumb arsed policy from dumb arsed government.

Just ask Martin Ferguson or Simon Crean they regenerated Labor, but jumped ship because they became disillusioned.

But keep your pinkies out while having a cheer for the battler.

 

[noco]

When is an asset not an asset?.....Whether it is incoming producing or land or buildings they are all still assets.

"THERE WILL BE NO ASSET SALES UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD".

Palaszczuk could not have made it any clearer.....Had she defined it before the election she may now be still in opposition.....LIES, LIES and more LIES.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ides_some_state_assets_can_be_sold_after_all/

 

[banco]

The mining tax, how would that be working now? Dumb arsed policy from dumb arsed government.

It's obvious you've never understood what the mining tax was for or you'd know that nobody would be paying it now. Speaking of dumb arses.