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Ukraine War

I was thinking a positive would be letting the west see how the Russian military operated in real time hardware / people / strategy etc and allowing them to prepare for defensive / offensive operations should they be required.

Russian tactics have reportedly been a complete shambles. Combined arms co-ordination that Monash introduced in WW1, practically non existent. Junior leaders have no command authority to adapt plans to win individual battles. Logistics abysmal. They may as well still be on horseback.
 
The hypocrisy of US politicians knows no bounds.

Republican Hawks have been able to sit back and watch the democrat hawks take the running.
Mick
 
The hypocrisy of US politicians knows no bounds.
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Republican Hawks have been able to sit back and watch the democrat hawks take the running.
Mick
I wonder how the US would react if mexico was to start bringing in the Chinese army .That is the exact parallel to ukraine/Russia
Same culture (for a huge amount of latino US citizen), ex brother in arms but 2 different social models and a corrupt gov in Mexico at least at state level..shushhh
This could actually happen
When in Panama, one waiter we met was a biologist working on mangrove habitat, he did his higher studies on a bursary ..in China....
 
This view of the Ukraine war hasn't been well promoted in the MSM. I think it is worth considering.

The Ninth Anniversary of the Ukraine War


By Prof. Jeffrey D. Sachs*
We are not at the 1-year anniversary of the war, as the Western governments and media claim. This is the 9-year anniversary of the war. And that makes a big difference.

 
I wonder how the US would react if mexico was to start bringing in the Chinese army .That is the exact parallel to ukraine/Russia

I'm a bit confused. Your hypothetical scenario is that the US invades Mexico?
 
I'm a bit confused. Your hypothetical scenario is that the US invades Mexico?
I think they would and did it for Cuba..but I agree that was eons ago
A bit like PNG turning Chinese influence for us, except I do not believe we would move.but yes of course this is the parallel.
Do you remember Panama invasion?.not that old unless you really believe they were pushing Noriega as he was a narco traficant? LoL
What Putin did, the US would..and did.
No black and white here.putin had it easier as roughly 50% of Ukraine was initially pro Russia.. with Crimea dondass split since 2014 and civil war,there has been a secession and so a west Ukraine vs a Russian south east
Now we moved from civil war to de facto proxy WWIII. and no limit it seems.
Anyway once again I should abstain from this thread...no point
 
What do you do when you run out of prisoners ?

Russian officials are even advertising contract service in unusual places: A Moscow-based psychiatrist is reportedly calling on suicidal men to enlist.[13]

 
FWIW from the BBC.

18 Nov 2022 and reads in part

A journey to the site of the Nord Stream explosions

The explosions on the pipes, which were not in use at the time, took place partly in what's known as the Swedish, and partly in the Danish, economic zones of the Baltic Sea.
The west widely thinks the Kremlin was behind the attacks, a kind of message from Moscow - part of the hybrid - or non-conventional warfare - it's waging, including cyber attacks, away from the battlefield in Ukraine.

Russia has blamed the sabotage on the west - vaguely on the US, and specifically on the UK Royal Navy, which promptly dismissed the allegation as an attempt by Russia to distract from its military failures.

A day or so ago and reads in part. I particularly noted the NYT citing anonymous officials. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Ukraine denies involvement in Nord Stream pipeline blasts

Ukraine has denied any involvement in September's attack on the Nord Stream pipelines, which were built to carry Russian natural gas to Germany.
The denial follows a report from the New York Times, which cites anonymous US intelligence officials who suggest a pro-Ukrainian group was to blame.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, said Ukraine "was absolutely not involved".
Moscow questioned how the US could make assumptions without an investigation.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov called the report a "co-ordinated fake news media campaign" and told the state news agency Ria-Novosti those who attacked the pipeline "clearly... want to divert attention."

Russia has blamed the West for the explosions and called on the UN Security Council to independently investigate them.
 
Heavy losses on both sides as Bakhmut is reduced to rubble

Kyiv and Moscow are both suffering heavy losses as fighting intensifies in eastern Ukraine.
The commander of the Ukrainian forces says the situation in Bakhmut remains difficult, but that his soldiers are managing to repel Russian attacks. The fight for control over the city has reduced it to ruins. Over the weekend Ukraine's President Zelenskyy said more than 1,100 Russian soldiers have been killed in the area. But the head of Russia's paramilitary Wagner Group maintains his group is still advancing, even though the situation was - as he put it "tough - very tough."

 
JUST IN - U.S. releases a video showing the collision of the Russian fighter jet with the MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Black Sea.

The Russian fighter appears to dump fuel as it intercepts the U.S. drone on the first attempt and apparently hits it on the second. Then the signal is lost.

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Kinda hard for the Ruskis to say it was the fault of the drone hitting the fighter jet.
But, as they say, truth is the first casualty in the war.
Mick
 

Not sure what a Reaper is doing patrolling around the Black Sea. They have UAVs specific for surveillance tasks. Didn't look like it was armed though. I don't think they're launched from an aircraft carrier either so must have come out of Turkey perhaps. The US seemed to be pretty relaxed about this in their statements, but if this was in international airspace it's a pretty significant escalation.
 
I guess this means that if he leaves Russia, Interpol will arrest him?

 
Never let a good opportunity pass, Xi may have Putin by the ....s.

"To make sure Putin understands he is becoming a Chinese “vassal state” last month, Xi instructed China’s Ministry of Natural Resources to issue new map regulations that replace the current Russian names of eight places along the Russian-Chinese border with Chinese names.
"Heading the list was the great Russian Pacific port city of Vladivostok which was called Hai Shen Wai before Russia annexed it in 1860 during the second opium war, under threat to set Beijing ablaze."

 
I think that we will soon find out who is the better negotiator, Mr. Xi with a working peace deal or Mr. Putin with new weapons deal from China.

In China’s telling, Mr Xi heads to Moscow as a peacemaker, and with no offer of arms. He is likely to use his trip to repeat his call for an end to the war, and to promote a 12-point peace plan first proposed by China in February. Mr Xi will echo recent Chinese statements urging respect for all countries’ territorial integrity and opposing any use of—or talk of using—nuclear weapons.

 
That is a really thought provoking story John. Russia as a Chinese vassal state ? Intriguing. The next article is also good value.
Thanks
 
That is a really thought provoking story John. Russia as a Chinese vassal state? Intriguing. The next article is also good value.
Thanks

Yes, very intriguing. We could be witnessing another and final collapse of the great nation of Russia, with the leaders that initiated it with bad policy and decisions now looking at ways to save their own skin at the expense of children's future.

As Russia’s reliance on China reduces the Kremlin’s leverage, China could demand more political concessions.
Why, if the Kremlin was so obsessed about supposed American dominance in its relationship with the West, would it lock the country into deepening deference to China? The reason is that the war against Ukraine and, by extension, its Western allies, has emerged as the organising principle of Russian politics, economics and foreign policy. Mr Putin and his entourage have staked so much on this campaign that the war has become existential. Losing it, in the dark minds of the hard men in the Kremlin, means losing power, the country, and maybe even their own freedom and lives.








 
The Ukraine military knows where to strike. Knocking out x number of a quite limited supply of cruise missiles on the ground is a military master stroke.

Russian cruise missiles destroyed in Crimea blast, Ukraine says

Kyiv says cargo of Kalibr missiles destroyed on train in city of Dzhankoi in attack Russian-installed regional chief blames on drone attack

Staff and agencies
Mon 20 Mar 2023 19.42 EDTFirst published on Mon 20 Mar 2023 19.20 EDT

Ukraine’s defence ministry has said an explosion in the city of Dzhankoi in Crimea destroyed Russian cruise missiles intended for use by Moscow’s Black Sea fleet.
“An explosion in Dzhankoi city in the north of temporarily occupied Crimea destroyed Russian Kalibr-KN cruise missiles as they were being transported by rail,” the ministry’s main intelligence directorate said on Monday. It did not claim responsibility.

 
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