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Well something needs to bring this pain and suffering to an end, way too much touchy touchy feel good stuff, bring it on get it sorted and move on IMO.
FFS how long do you stop the ongoing bullying, in my experience once civil discussion and bargaining has finished, it is time to sort it out one way or another. Obviously Putin isn't going to play nice, why don't they give him the ultimatum, you chuck a nuke and we will fry you?
Get on with it.
It's like everything else today, don't face the issue, dance around it and hope it goes away e.g house prices, why do they keep going up? because people borrow more to buy them, but why do they let us borrow more? because you ask for more and give them information to pass guidelines, but why didn't they say interest rates could go up? Well because interest rates have never been this low, so who knows? But the long term average on interest rates in Australia is between 5% and 7%, But what is long term average?
www.smh.com.au

Kremlin warns more arms to Ukraine aggravates war, vows to develop nuclear forces

Russian President Vladimir Putin says Moscow will take lessons from the conflict and expand its military forces with special emphasis on nuclear.
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Kyiv: The Kremlin has warned that increasing the supply of US arms to Ukraine will aggravate the devastating 10-month war ignited by Russia’s invasion, and Russia’s defence minister called for expanding Moscow’s military by at least 500,000 people.
Speaking during a meeting with his top military brass, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow would take lessons learnt in the conflict to “develop our armed forces and strengthen the capability of our troops”. He said special emphasis would go to developing nuclear forces, which he described as “the main guarantee of Russia’s sovereignty”.

Jeez I can't wait to get over these Christmas holidays, I didn't sign up for all these grandkids. ?
 
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Came across this story about how the USSR dealt with the hundreds of thousands of soldiers left limbless from WW2.
Grim beyond belief.

One of the appalling sub stories is how General Zhukov sent lines of infantry into German minefields outside Berlin in 1945. They cleared the mines with their bodies. This was to save the Russian Tanks.

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THE SOVIET WAR INVALIDS WERE SHOT DEAD BY THE RULERS

"In 1949, before the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Great Stalin, veterans, invalids of the Second World War, were shot dead in the USSR. Some shot, some taken to the distant islands in the North and remote corners of Siberia for further disposal. Valaam is a concentration camp for in...
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At Midnight on New Years Eve it seems that the Ukrainians blasted a vocational college that was housing hundreds of Russian soldiers.
Absolutely nothing left of it.

It seems the Russians stored their munitions in the basements

 
Good morning
Local Media (New Corp) Nice story written about an ADF soldier based in Townsville 3 RAR:

Joshua Green: Townsville soldier recognised with Hassett Award for Ukraine work​

A young Townsville soldier has received his battalion’s first ever medal recognition for his work in Ukraine. See how the armoured vehicle expert ‘skinned the cat’.

Daneka Hill

less than 2 min read
January 6, 2023 - 12:00PM
Townsville Bulletin

A Townsville soldier who helped deliver armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine and created training programs for Ukrainian soldiers has been recognised with the Hassett Award. Corporal Joshua Green from the 3rd battalion (3 RAR) said it meant a lot to receive the award, which recognises outstanding junior leadership.

“I was told to come up with a training program for the armoured vehicles,” Corporal Green said. “We got tasked to come up with a training package and skin the cat, and I did.”

The training was part of Australia’s overall material assistance to Ukraine.
There was a second, deeper significance when the Hassett Award was handed over to Corporal Green.

The award was created by Sir Francis Hassett who commanded the 3 RAR in Korea - but it’s never been given to a 3 RAR soldier until now.
Corporal Green said it’s a massive honour to be the first. The Hassett Award was received by Corporal Green in Canberra on November 24.


Kind regards
rcw1
 
Ater completing her uni degree at a Russian uni, from feelings of guilt for leaving to forgiving herself for growing up in Putin's Russia, I found this a fascinating clip about Natasha's life pre and post the "special operation" she calls a war.

All my fears were realized... Conclusions of 2022​

In the beginning of 2022, I made a video where I shared my YouTube channel story, how happy I was to be a digital nomad, but also how I felt anxious and paranoid about living in Russia. Just one month later I realized that it were not just far-fetched fears, because all my fears were realized.
So in this video, I will tell you how I felt when the war started, how environment in Russia changed, how I graduated my university and how I feel in a new country, Georgia. Thank you for being with me this year. And let's hope that 2023 will be better.
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From newsweek
Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday outlined what he believes could trigger a nuclear war.

Medvedev was Vladimir Putin's stand-in president between 2008 and 2012 and now serves as deputy head of Russia's Security Council.

In a Telegram post discussing NATO support for Ukraine's military, Medvedev invoked the possibility of nuclear war should Russia be defeated in Ukraine.

"Defeat of a nuclear power in a conventional war may trigger a nuclear war," said Medvedev, referring to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, which began on February 24, 2022.

Medvedev added: "Nuclear powers have never lost major conflicts on which their fate depends."

His remarks came ahead of a meeting of Ukraine's allies to discuss sending more weapons to Kyiv to assist its forces in the war. On Friday, Western defense officials from around 50 countries and NATO are set to meet at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss the possibility of sending more tanks to Ukraine.

"Tomorrow, at NATO's Ramstein base, the great military leaders will discuss new tactics and strategies, as well as the supply of new heavy weapons and strike systems to Ukraine," wrote Medvedev.
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Well, thats a nice development.
Peter Zeihan essentially paints a similar picture in his statement about South Korea, some Scandinavian countries, and possibly Saudi Arabia all becoming nuclear.

Mick
 
What Russia has to be careful of IMO, is someone deciding to strike them first, because of the veiled threats.
If credible information is obtained that Russia is going to throw nukes around, I don't think the recipients would just say o.k let's see how much damage it does.
Russia has already stated that they could send a nuke to wipe out the U.K, do they really think the U.K would just say please don't, it isn't as though the U.K has capitulated before due to threats.
Interesting times IMO.
if Russia has to resort t nukes, when they are the aggressor and the larger physical force, it wont go down well. Similar to if the U.S had resorted to nukes in Vietnam, middle East or Afghanistan. :2twocents
 
It is amazing how incompetent the Russian military is.

"This sloppiness can have lethal consequences. In December a Russian volunteer posted photos on vk of forces encamped in a country club in Sahy, an occupied part of Kherson province. His post included a geo-tag of the exact location. Ukrainian missiles later struck it, after which the volunteer posted yet again. This time he uploaded a video showing the extent of the destruction, in effect giving Ukraine a damage assessment from on the ground, noted Rob Lee of King’s College London."​

Open-source intelligence is piercing the fog of war in Ukraine

On May 29th 1982 Robert Fox had just witnessed 36 hours of intense warfare over Goose Green, a remote spot on the Falkland Islands, an archipelago in the South Atlantic then being fought over by Britain and Argentina. It was the decisive battle of the war and it had gone Britain’s way. Mr Fox, then a bbc radio correspondent, was keen to tell listeners. It took him ten hours to get to a satellite phone aboard a warship, he recalls. It took another eight hours to decrypt his text in London. The story was not broadcast for 24 hours. Television journalists had it worse, says Mr Fox. Their shots took ten days to reach home.

When the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson was liberated in November, it took just hours, if not minutes, for the news to flood out. Images circulating on Telegram, a messaging service popular in Russia and Ukraine, showed Ukrainian soldiers strolling into the centre of the city and Ukrainian flags lofted over buildings (see clips above). A network of amateur analysts on Twitter tracked the Ukrainian advance, almost in real time, by “geo-locating” the images—comparing trees, buildings and other features to satellite imagery on Google Maps and similar services.

The rise of open-source intelligence, osint to insiders, has transformed the way that people receive news. In the run-up to war, commercial satellite imagery and video footage of Russian convoys on TikTok, a social-media site, allowed journalists and researchers to corroborate Western claims that Russia was preparing an invasion. osint even predicted its onset. Jeffrey Lewis of the Middlebury Institute in California used Google Maps’ road-traffic reports to identify a tell-tale jam on the Russian side of the border at 3:15am on February 24th. “Someone’s on the move”, he tweeted. Less than three hours later Vladimir Putin launched his war.

Satellite imagery still plays a role in tracking the war. During the Kherson offensive, synthetic-aperture radar (sar) satellites, which can see at night and through clouds, showed Russia building pontoon bridges over the Dnieper river before its retreat from Kherson, boats appearing and disappearing as troops escaped east and, later, Russia’s army building new defensive positions along the m14 highway on the river’s left bank. And when Ukrainian drones struck two air bases deep inside Russia on December 5th, high-resolution satellite images showed the extent of the damage.

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The Dyagilevo air base, in Ryazan, south-east of Moscow, houses some of Russia’s long-range bombers including Soviet-era Tu-95 and Tu-22M planes. This image was taken on December 7th, two days after the attack.

Scorch marks and fire suppressant can be seen on the ground where a Tu-22M bomber had been days before. Around ten Tu-22Ms appear to have been moved out of harm’s way, compared with photos taken before the attack.

But whereas satellites were well-suited to cataloguing Russian battalions laid out neatly in open fields in January, it is harder to capture compelling images of small companies of men dispersed over a wide area and often ensconced in trenches or bunkers. The single most important repository of data during the war has been Telegram.

osint analysts scour Telegram channels such as Rybar, an account with over 1m followers, to harvest images of battle, testimony from the front line and the mood among troops. Rybar is not neutral—its founder once worked for the press service of Russia’s defence ministry, and reportedly once had links to Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the mercenary Wagner group—but it offers relatively accurate and timely accounts of battlefield movements, including Ukraine’s blitz through Kharkiv in September, and is often critical of Russian policy.

Telegram has become a platform for Russian ultra-nationalists, supportive of the war but dissatisfied with its conduct, to air their grievances against Russia’s military leadership. Popular accounts have circulated images of troops without basic equipment. During the Kherson offensive in early October, one panicked Russian account even used Telegram to make a desperate plea for air support. The first ten years of the Syrian civil war produced video footage running to 40 years, notes Matthew Ford of the Swedish Defence University. In the first 80 days of the Ukraine war, there was ten years of footage—an order of magnitude more.

For armies seeking to maintain operational security, this profusion of data is a nightmare. In 2019, after a series of blunders, Russia passed a law banning soldiers from uploading sensitive photos or videos. It began shutting down railway-tracking websites shortly before the war began, removing a valuable source of data. It has also attempted to obscure patches on soldiers’ uniforms and vehicle markings, to avoid giving away the position of whole units. In October the Kremlin began cracking down on prominent critics on Telegram, such as Igor Girkin, a hardline ex-spook who led Russia’s proxy war in Donbas in 2014. But they remain as garrulous as ever. After at least 89 Russian servicemen—possibly hundreds—were killed by a Ukrainian attack on New Year’s Day in Makiivka, a Russian-occupied town in the Donbas region, Mr Girkin lambasted the incompetence of Russian generals, describing them as “untrainable”.

Nor has Russia staunched the flow of information. “There’s a lot of lessons being learnt very slowly,” says Tom Bullock, an osint analyst at Atreides, an intelligence company, “but I think that’s on Telegram, where they know people are looking”. On VKontakte (vk), the Russian equivalent of Facebook, says Mr Bullock, “it’s basically just as bad as it always has been. There’s so many geo-tagged pictures of their bases just floating around at all times.”

This sloppiness can have lethal consequences. In December a Russian volunteer posted photos on vk of forces encamped in a country club in Sahy, an occupied part of Kherson province. His post included a geo-tag of the exact location. Ukrainian missiles later struck it, after which the volunteer posted yet again. This time he uploaded a video showing the extent of the destruction, in effect giving Ukraine a damage assessment from on the ground, noted Rob Lee of King’s College London.


December 8th
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December 11th
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December 20th
Images and video posted on VK showing Russian forces at the Grand Prix country club in Kherson province, and later the aftermath of a Ukrainian attack.

As Russia mobilises hundreds of thousands of recruits, most with little experience of a warzone and minimal security training, this vulnerability is likely to grow. “A lot of them see posting on social media as part of their tour of duty,” says Mr Bullock. He recalls tracking a Russian volunteer who was sent to Kherson province in June. The soldier obligingly posted a photograph of every village he drove through on his way from Rostov, in southern Russia, to Kherson, revealing the precise route of Russian supply lines.

“There have been efforts to close or limit osint collection,” says HI Sutton, a naval analyst who uses sar imagery to track ship movements. “But osint evolves and people, if they are keen enough, find new ways to figure stuff out.” He gives the example of nasa's Fire Information for Resource Management System (firms), which uses infra-red sensors on satellites to detect active fires. It was originally developed to track things like forest fires. Now it is used to identify missile launches, shellfire and explosions, allowing researchers to discern the latest front line.


Open sources undoubtedly have their limitations. The torrent of images that emerged from Kherson did so with unusual speed, in part because euphoric residents were keen to take and upload the footage. On one occasion, Ukrainian forces managed to target a Chechen unit near Kyiv within 40 minutes of videos being uploaded to TikTok, according to the New York Times. But on average it takes one to three days for an image to circulate widely and be geo-located, says Andro Mathewson, an osint analyst for the halo Trust, a landmine clearance charity. Images often arrive in bursts when a unit is rotated off the front lines and has time and connectivity to upload footage.

Open sources also entail a form of survivorship bias, akin to the problem, in the second world war, of drawing the wrong lessons by analysing only those planes which returned from missions rather than also those which were shot down. “The footage we see of this war is not necessarily representative of how it is being fought,” says Mr Lee. Tanks hit by anti-tank missiles are more likely to be caught on video than those struck by mines, he notes. Yet a big chunk of Ukrainian tank losses are from mines, according to informed sources.

In a recent talk, General Sir Jim Hockenhull, who ran British defence intelligence until 2022, compared old-fashioned intelligence to assembling a jigsaw puzzle without the lid, showing the complete picture, or all the pieces. “What’s happening with open source is that we still don’t have the lid…but what we have is an almost infinite number of jigsaw pieces.” The result, he said, was that one could assemble “an almost infinite number of pictures”.

That creates “splintered realities”, says Mr Ford. He is working on an open-source narrative history of the war, and reckons it can be done “at what might be considered us intelligence standards”—a remarkable acceleration of military history. But he acknowledges that the infinite jigsaw poses serious challenges. One is the problem of self-deception: seeing the war “as we want to see it, rather than as it is”. Images of cold and hungry Russian recruits huddled in trenches paint a picture of shambolic mobilisation. In practice, Western and Ukrainian officials say they are worried about the units being formed out of sight.

The other problem is seeing what belligerents want you to see. In the early months of the war, videos showed strike after strike by Ukraine’s Bayraktar tb2 drones, many set to catchy music. It was a piece of theatre. “Ukraine recognised very quickly as part of an extremely effective information operations strategy that this was some of the best footage they had,” noted Justin Bronk of the Royal United Services Institute, a think-tank, speaking on a recent podcast. “And so the Ukrainains stored up a lot of that footage and kept drip-feeding it, having got rid of date, time and location stamps to give the impression this was still a major thing a couple of months in.”

Despite those limitations, Western intelligence agencies are taking a keen interest in osint. Satellite imagery is old hat. America has had it for more than 60 years, though never quite so much. But a world in which Telegram channels convey a steady stream of battlefield imagery is new and unsettling. “Open source contributes somewhere in the region of 20% of our current processes,” says General Hockenhull, “but the availability and opportunity means that we’ve got to invert this metric.” Rather than sprinkling osint over a bedrock of secret intelligence, the secrets should be the icing on an open-source cake. “It’s crucial that we are able to merge those together.”

www.economist.com

Open-source intelligence is piercing the fog of war in Ukraine

Social-media posts and satellite imagery provide a torrent of data, but can overwhelm and confuse
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Things are escalating with no sign that there's a way out of this for either team. The UK and Germany preparing to send MBTs might not be a red line for Russia but it's getting oh so close to NATO being on the ground. What next, trainers and advisers inside the country?

The next step for Russia might be to have the Belarusians join the fight and invade from the north west. But, I can't see how they can do that without the Baltics and Poland feeling comfortable. Belarus joining might be a red line for NATO.

I still think Russia's strategic plan is to have Ukraine ask for a ceasefire and then negotiate the eastern boundary of Ukraine to go down the line of the Dnipro River from Kherson - Dnipro - Kharkiv.
 
Whatever Putin's plan is, his wish to relive the good ol' Cold War days has certainly come true and has set Cold War 2.0 in motion.
 
With the Russians being routed at the beginning, this conflict is proving to be an absolute media bonanza.
Thus we see the semi-retired David Letterman interview President Zelenskyy.

 
Sean K said:
Things are escalating with no sign that there's a way out of this for either team.
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Most Ukrainians don't want to live under a Russian yoke. Let's hope the Quisling talk doesn't gain traction.

Putin can call off the invasion. That would solve a few issues.
 
Craton said:
Whatever Putin's plan is, his wish to relive the good ol' Cold War days has certainly come true and has set Cold War 2.0 in motion.
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That's can happen to leaders that read only one perspective of the history books, and then come to the conclusion that they could have done better. Maybe Mikhail Gorbachev might gain back some prestige in Russia, for his wise handling of the Cold War.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
Most Ukrainians don't want to live under a Russian yoke. Let's hope the Quisling talk doesn't gain traction.

Putin can call off the invasion. That would solve a few issues.
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I agree, the lines on the maps should be respected in this current age. But, European borders have been a moveable feast for a very long time prior to the end of WW2. Since then, there's hardly been a longer period of peace in Europe, probably due to MAD. There needs to be another major World wide treaty that states borders are set in stone and an international body upholds those boundaries. Hello UN. But, that's unlikely to happen until there's another significant bout of fisticuffs and a replacement of the UN is founded with more meaning and relevance to the 21st C.
 

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