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joeno said:
US, Israel, Saudi Arabia... countries known for apartheid and genocide. We can never say anything bad about them or it's "racist" / gaslighted. But it's totally ok to fabricate lies, insult, threaten and humiliate Russians / Russia.

Anybody who has read a book knows who the real fascists and genocidal maniacs in this world are ???
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Its hilarious watching arm chair experts form opinions form 3rd or 4th hand information and you tube snippets.

No country is perfect, however fascism, strong nationalism is very present and has been present in Russia for a long time.

Not to say everybody else is a saint, not saying Russia or America is any better. You have the kkk in America and many strong neo nazi and soccer hooligan groups in Russia.

In America racism is different, it is present in the streets and in everyday life but as soon as it reaches media it is a very disgusting topic.

In Russia it is how it is, clean white European looking Russians are above. If you are black brown or euro asian from Caucasus by appearance you stick out. This will also concern other minorities which by appearance will not stick out but bring Ukrainian (obviously now) Polish, Czech or whatever will also make life different.

If you are interested how it actually works you could start with some classic Russian cinema masterpieces, I would recommend to start with

Brat 1 / brother https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118767/

Perfect example how Caucasus minorities are portrayed as gangsters and bad guys in the cities

Vojna / War
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War (2002) ⭐ 7.5 | Action, Drama, War

2h | R
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A great movie about the Chechen war, from a Russian perspective but I think it has been portrayed very fairly and shown the good and bad on both sides Russians and Chechens

You just can't pretend to understand a culture form some youtube videos and some conspiracy theory texts

No world power is a saint, almost had a tear reading how the poor Russians are being bashed
 
President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that the weapons used by Russia's military should be modernised.

The Russian leader talked of competition between manufacturers and developers.

However, Ukraine's main intelligence unit has claimed that Iran is preparing to send more combat drones and new ballistic missile systems to Moscow.

Putin's comments come just days after Russia launched more than 50 missiles targeting critical facilities in Ukraine.
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Nova Kakhovka in the Kherson region has banned the sale of alcohol to members of the Russian military.

... oh great, now
  • a black market will emerge
  • they'll break into civilian houses to steal

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againsthegrain said:
Its hilarious watching arm chair experts form opinions form 3rd or 4th hand information and you tube snippets.

No country is perfect, however fascism, strong nationalism is very present and has been present in Russia for a long time.

Not to say everybody else is a saint, not saying Russia or America is any better. You have the kkk in America and many strong neo nazi and soccer hooligan groups in Russia.

In America racism is different, it is present in the streets and in everyday life but as soon as it reaches media it is a very disgusting topic.

In Russia it is how it is, clean white European looking Russians are above. If you are black brown or euro asian from Caucasus by appearance you stick out. This will also concern other minorities which by appearance will not stick out but bring Ukrainian (obviously now) Polish, Czech or whatever will also make life different.

If you are interested how it actually works you could start with some classic Russian cinema masterpieces, I would recommend to start with

Brat 1 / brother https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118767/

Perfect example how Caucasus minorities are portrayed as gangsters and bad guys in the cities

Vojna / War
m.imdb.com

War (2002) ⭐ 7.5 | Action, Drama, War

2h | R
m.imdb.com m.imdb.com

A great movie about the Chechen war, from a Russian perspective but I think it has been portrayed very fairly and shown the good and bad on both sides Russians and Chechens

You just can't pretend to understand a culture form some youtube videos and some conspiracy theory texts

No world power is a saint, almost had a tear reading how the poor Russians are being bashed
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What's hilarious is the intellectual arrog/ignor/ance of western society pundits who believe themselves to be educated, enlightened individuals speaking for truth... but actually are ~99% not. The opposite. Literal cannon fodder brainwashed out of their minds by relentless barrage of tabloid news & propaganda.

I agree no country is perfect.

But thinking Russia is THE place with "fascism, strong nationalism" and not bringing up more notable countries *wink* *wink* is hilarious.

It's funny western society has so much to say about Russia. With so much conviction. Surely these people are not arm chair experts but real experts ?

RE: How the Caucasus minorities are treated. You realize one of the most notable Russian leaders: Stalin AND Lenin are minorities right? Stalin was ethnic Georgian. Lenin was part Asian. Their most revered athletes are Dagestani. One of the most famous Russian singers of all time was Korean.

Yes there are instances of racism against minorities in Russia. But please. Are we really pretending it's better in western countries? Please don't say this. It is beyond ridiculous and shows your level of understanding of Russia.
 
joeno said:
What's hilarious is the intellectual arrog/ignor/ance of western society pundits who believe themselves to be educated, enlightened individuals speaking for truth... but actually are ~99% not. The opposite. Literal cannon fodder brainwashed out of their minds by relentless barrage of tabloid news & propaganda.

I agree no country is perfect.

But thinking Russia is THE place with "fascism, strong nationalism" and not bringing up more notable countries *wink* *wink* is hilarious.

It's funny western society has so much to say about Russia. With so much conviction. Surely these people are not arm chair experts but real experts ?

RE: How the Caucasus minorities are treated. You realize one of the most notable Russian leaders: Stalin AND Lenin are minorities right? Stalin was ethnic Georgian. Lenin was part Asian. Their most revered athletes are Dagestani. One of the most famous Russian singers of all time was Korean.

Yes there are instances of racism against minorities in Russia. But please. Are we really pretending it's better in western countries? Please don't say this. It is beyond ridiculous and shows your level of understanding of Russia.
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uh ok, you got me there I give up you are right I am wrong, the Korean singer did it
 
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joeno said:
What's hilarious is ..........Russia.
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Knobby22 said:
Chemical weapon labs. Highly illegal. Both China and Russia were witnesses that a number of them existed. Must be true eh?
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I am not sure chemical weapon labs are illegal, I think using the weapons is, but even Canada have the ability to produce small amount of chemical warfare agents. I know this because I have personally visited their chemical warfare labs, and trained using live chemicals.
 
Since Vladimir Putin ordered his tanks across the Ukrainian frontier in February, little has gone to plan. Russia’s blitzkrieg failed and the conflict became bogged down in months of grinding stalemate before Ukraine launched successful counter-offensivesin the east and south. The outcome of the war remains highly uncertain, and Mr Putin is under pressure. His desperate declaration of “partial mobilisation” led to protests across Russiaand the botched, illegal annexation of four Ukrainian provinces drew international ire. Below you will find our most recent coverage, in which we examine the conflict’s military aspects, as well as its ramifications for Ukraine, Russia and the wider world.
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The main cause of Russia's failure in it's invasion of Ukraine is endemic corruption in the Federation.

This flows from the lowliest clerk in charge of septic tanks in any hamlet in any Oblast of Russia all the way up to the Supreme Commander Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

The resemblances to the routing of the Russian Army and Navy during the 1905 Russo-Japanese War are quite moot.

Revolution followed.

A plaintiff letter from the 155th to the Governor.

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Need to enable English sub-titles but one of my fav YouTube channels re. the conflict. Interviews (no, not interrogations) with Russian POW by Lviv Media.

This one is a classic. How a not-so-young, self proclaimed Russian drunkard was coherced into the war.

 
Yesterday Russian oil stocks extended their decline, as investors continued to gauge expectations of the sector’s profitability ahead of the EU’s oil embargo in December.

Vessel data compiled by Bloomberg indicated that weekly seaborne oil exports jumped to a five-month high in early November as sellers scrap to complete transactions before the start of restrictions.

Besides halting oil imports, the embargo will prohibit European tankers from operating oil shipments to China and India.
 
Russia says it is abandoning the southern city of Kherson
But is it a trap?

Eight months of brutal war have borne little fruit for Russia. It was beaten back from northern Ukraine in the spring. It was routed in Kharkiv province in September. Since the start of the war in February it has lost perhaps 80,000 men, killed and wounded. The only provincial capital it has managed to take is Kherson city, captured in the first week of war and illegally annexed in September. And now that, too, seems to be slipping from its grasp.

On November 9th Sergei Shoigu, Russia’s defence minister, and General Sergei Surovikin, appointed as the commander of Russian forces in Ukraine weeks earlier, met Russian commanders and acknowledged that Russia’s position in Kherson had become untenable. The “most sensible option” in the circumstances, said General Surovikin, would be to establish a new defensive line on the eastern side of the Dnieper river. “Sergei Vladimirovich, I agree with your conclusions and suggestions,” replied a stony-faced Mr Shoigu. “For us, the lives of Russian servicemen are always a priority.”

Russia’s position in Kherson has been deteriorating for months. Ukraine launched a ground offensive in the province on August 29th, after weeks of precision attacks against the bridges needed to resupply Russian forces on the west bank of the Dnieper, where Kherson city lies. In early October Ukrainian troops made breakthroughs in the northern part of the front, eventually bringing the front line to within 30km of the city. By the end of the month Russian authorities said they had completed the evacuation of over 70,000 civilians to the east bank.

Ukrainian officials are sceptical that Russia is really prepared to withdraw without a fight. Many of them fear that the announcement is simply a ruse, intended to lure their army into urban combat. Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, said on November 9th, after the Russian declaration, that “We see no signs that Russia is leaving Kherson without a fight.” Certainly, Ukraine will not rush into the city. But it is clear that the noose has been tightening. On the same day the head of Russia’s puppet regime in Kherson acknowledged that Kirill Stremousov, his deputy, had been killed “in a car crash”. Numerous pro-Russian officials have died in recent months, many of them assassinated by Ukrainian partisans and special forces.

A withdrawal, if it really happens, would be humiliating both for Russia’s army, which is being steadily pushed back, and for Mr Putin, who declared Kherson to be an inalienable part of Russia just weeks ago. “Russia is here forever,” declared Andrei Turchak, secretary of United Russia, the Kremlin’s ruling party, speaking in Kherson in May. “There will be no return to the past.” Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya and lately a critic of the Kremlin’s war strategy, praised General Surovikin for a wise decision that had saved lives. But others were less forgiving.

On Telegram, a social-media forum popular among war commentators in Russia, “nationalist patriots” were furious. Yevgeny Prigozhin, an ex-convict who controls Wagner, a group of mercenaries, compared the situation in Kherson to the rout in Kharkiv: “Then too, there was no understanding of what was going on.” He cited one of his commanders as saying that Wagner would stay even if the army left. The Telegram channel “Operation Z”, which has a million subscribers, wrote: “****, why were we lied to?” There is also mounting anger at Russia’s recent mobilisation of some 300,000 more men. The wives and mothers of new recruits are travelling to the Russia-Ukraine border to demand that their husbands and sons be withdrawn.

On state television, retired generals offered the theory that the retreat was temporary. In truth, any lingering Russian hopes to advance, once more, on Mykolaiv, and thence westward to Odessa, have receded into fantasy. The retreat has some advantages. It allows Russia’s army to narrow the front and establish more defensible lines, as it waits for the newly mobilised recruits to arrive—indeed one official suggests that the withdrawal from Kherson and a switch to the defensive might have been one of General Surovikin’s conditions for taking the top job.

But it also brings parts of Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014, within range of longer-range rocket artillery, notes Rob Lee of King’s College, potentially playing havoc with Russian railway stations, ammunition depots and other facilities there. One well-informed official said that Ukraine had already advanced in Kherson, taking advantage of Russia’s drawdowns, but the extent of this progress is still unclear.

The withdrawal itself is yet to come. A retreat under fire—a “retrograde under contact”, in military parlance—is one of the most challenging tasks that any army can undertake. It can go horribly wrong; Russian forces suffered heavy casualties as they escaped from Lyman a month ago. Western and Ukrainian officials said in October that around 20,000 Russian troops were deployed on the western side of the Dnieper. Many are probably still there.

If Russia’s perimeter around Kherson city collapses, Ukraine will swiftly be able to bring its artillery forward, to within range of the bridges, pontoons and barges that represent the only escape route for Russian troops on the western side. These could then become death traps. Russia may anyway have to abandon or destroy large amounts of military equipment, since some bridges, damaged by months of relentless bombardment, cannot bear the weight of heavy vehicles. Some suspect that Russia may resort to human shields, mingling civilian and military traffic to deter Ukraine from striking.

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General Surovikin also hinted at another terrifying possibility. He warned Mr Shoigu that Ukraine’s armed forces had planned to create a flood zone below the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant, which forms part of a 3km-long dam at Nova Kakhovka. In October Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, warned that Russia, in fact, had mined the dam. One aim might be to cover the Russian retreat by bogging down Ukrainian troops.

That would be a very risky strategy. Michael Kofman of cna, a think-tank, warns that the destruction of the dam would not only be “ecologically disastrous”, but it would also have a larger impact on eastern Kherson, which Russia seeks to retain, than on the western part of the province. It could also disrupt the supply of water to Crimea. “It would mean Russia essentially blowing its own foot off.”
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Neither the Ukrainian military nor President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed Russia's retreat from Kherson.

According to Ukraine's October assessment, there were 30,000 to 50,000 Russian troops on Dnipro's right bank.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
Neither the Ukrainian military nor President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed Russia's retreat from Kherson.

According to Ukraine's October assessment, there were 30,000 to 50,000 Russian troops on Dnipro's right bank.
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Agree.

The Ukranians are much better at strategic information/propaganda management than the Vatniks.

Zelenskyy beats ole Putin hands down on this score.

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It is now official.

The Russians are withdrawing to the Left (Eastern) bank of the Dnipro River.

They are all hat and no herd, as shown in this video.



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