definitively, the US started the process under Obama with the whole Biden's son saga and put Russia back to the wall.
Nothing like that would have happened under Trump but the democrats and lobbies got into power..I do not say elected... and were back to their initial plan (remember Russia/Clinton relations?)
Putin f.up majestically as he was expecting to be welcomed as a liberator....
But the US was ready..A PR puppet was in place (trained actor)
Putin just forgot most of the pro Russians had already moved to the Russian sided Crimea/Dosnek... and now the war..which was initially a civil war had moved up one level...a bit like Yugoslavia in its time if you remember?
We bombed Serbia to let Kosovo turn into a muslim terrorist training ground, Putin thought he could do similar and push out the pro west Ukrainians over.
this is becoming history and is the start of WWIII (cold or hot, the US will decide probably within months) ..nicely timed with the way to get out of an economic deadend.
That's my view.
I have no certitude except truth is definitively not what our own propaganda pushes on us.
Neither is it Kremlin's story we can agree there too;And getting hard to get unbiased views.
If you see otherwise, how do you interpret the cuban crisis?Was Kennedy wrong? I do not think so
There is always a line in the sand not to push..even between friends, Nato did push it , was no friendand got the expected push back. Simple
In the meantime, for this political game, people are dying, atrocities are rampant..on both sides
And absolutely deluded Europe is paying the price but Poland andTurkey are gaining power, even the US a bit...while China is laughing all the way to its cash register.
As for ukraine as a nation state..hum..as good as south sudan in term of legitimity, the poorest place in europe well below Romania and was getting worse and worse even before the war=> 3 times poorer than Russia per citizen..says it all..., overthrown of elected governments, worst corruption in Europe which made EU membership impossible...pre war..but now all good.Provider of sex slaves and human traficking, and soon exporter of US military weapons to the world mafia, key importer of stolen European goods and luxury German cars .
A delight..but the inhabitants did not deserved to be slaughtered from both sides to fulfill the US puppet handlers wishes.
Just waiting for the first tactical nuke next..God bless us..the horrors to come...
Suggest no need to put anyone on ignore (kind of rude to do so imo) as everyone is entitled to their opinion & to express it on a public forum such as ASF - differing views should be encouraged & discussed in a respectful/peaceful orderly manner as it adds to the substance/quality of the overall discussion.PS: as I did not want to join the keyboard warrior brigade, i had put that thread on ignore a while back but I guess it switched back on or i typed it back in?..I will reinstate the ignore, not denying you a reply Sean, so my apologies not personal, but a bit like Covid jabs, no point preaching if people have made their mind
have a great week end..
No, i put people on ignore wo remorse but not on this subject and Sean is not on my ignoreSuggest no need to put anyone on ignore (kind of rude to do so imo) as everyone is entitled to their opinion & to express it on a public forum such as ASF - differing views should be encouraged & discussed in a respectful/peaceful orderly manner as it adds to the substance/quality of the overall discussion.
Please do for your own interest but i will try to avoid this thread.It will take me a while to sort through this, but I will over the weekend.
definitively, the US started the process under Obama with the whole Biden's son saga and put Russia back to the wall.
Nothing like that would have happened under Trump but the democrats and lobbies got into power..I do not say elected... and were back to their initial plan (remember Russia/Clinton relations?)
Putin f.up majestically as he was expecting to be welcomed as a liberator....
But the US was ready..A PR puppet was in place (trained actor)
Putin just forgot most of the pro Russians had already moved to the Russian sided Crimea/Dosnek... and now the war..which was initially a civil war had moved up one level...a bit like Yugoslavia in its time if you remember?
We bombed Serbia to let Kosovo turn into a muslim terrorist training ground, Putin thought he could do similar and push out the pro west Ukrainians over.
this is becoming history and is the start of WWIII (cold or hot, the US will decide probably within months) ..nicely timed with the way to get out of an economic deadend.
That's my view.
I have no certitude except truth is definitively not what our own propaganda pushes on us.
Neither is it Kremlin's story we can agree there too;And getting hard to get unbiased views.
If you see otherwise, how do you interpret the cuban crisis?Was Kennedy wrong? I do not think so
There is always a line in the sand not to push..even between friends, Nato did push it , was no friendand got the expected push back. Simple
In the meantime, for this political game, people are dying, atrocities are rampant..on both sides
And absolutely deluded Europe is paying the price but Poland andTurkey are gaining power, even the US a bit...while China is laughing all the way to its cash register.
As for ukraine as a nation state..hum..as good as south sudan in term of legitimity, the poorest place in europe well below Romania and was getting worse and worse even before the war=> 3 times poorer than Russia per citizen..says it all..., overthrown of elected governments, worst corruption in Europe which made EU membership impossible...pre war..but now all good.Provider of sex slaves and human traficking, and soon exporter of US military weapons to the world mafia, key importer of stolen European goods and luxury German cars .
A delight..but the inhabitants did not deserved to be slaughtered from both sides to fulfill the US puppet handlers wishes.
Just waiting for the first tactical nuke next..God bless us..the horrors to come...
I must admit that your summary is compelling, however if I were ole Xi, this what I would do.I think the China-Taiwan issue is going to play out in much the same way as this war.
There's a mixed history of ownership.
Linked Ethnicity.
It's a strategic position controlling gateways.
Surrounded by natural resources.
Competing blocks for influence - West v East.
Competing political systems - Democracy v Dictatorship.
I think there's going to be a very similar outcome to this in East Asia.
China will eventually try to take Taiwan by force.
I must admit that your summary is compelling, however if I were ole Xi, this what I would do.
Eastern Russia is wasted on the Russians who are feckless and operating as they were under the Romanovs over 100 years ago. It is a feudal, sparsely populated area adjacent to Chinese northern provinces wherin vodka and thuggery is the currency as opposed to a thriving large Chinese population in what used be Manchuria.
- Continue to threaten Taiwan and develop weapons and alliances in the South China Sea and Pacific to keep the US distracted.
- Allow Putin to become exhausted and Russia to be neutralised by NATO and the US.
- Invade Siberia and Russian East across the Amur river and annex Siberia and the Kurils with Sakhalin Oblast.
There is bad history going back over a thousand years between China and Russia, and China has a huge population who could exploit the riches of Eastern Russia better than has been the case under Czarist or USSR control.
You heard it here first.
gg
IT is quite an interesting part of the world. A quick read through the Russo-Japanese War 1905, which exhausted the Russians and led eventually to the Russian Revolution, on Wikipedia will give you a taste of the tensions in that part of the world.I have not read of a scenario of China taking the eastern part of Russia before, as part of their grand strategic plan.
I heard it here first.
SK
Internet is full of clips of trains loaded with tanks bound for the west, drawing down the RU strategic reserve that had been held east of the Urals. And leaving the Amur / Russian Far East border more exposed. Apart from a few cities and regional centres, most towns are bleeding population. Despair set in when the Soviet subsidies were removed.
Take out a bridge or 3 across those broad Siberian rivers and the whole area would be vulnerable.
From China's viewpoint, there is no rush to take Taiwan. It will be taken back one day.Maybe this is all part of Xi's grand strategic plan, or at least an opportunity. Divert Russia to the West, and the EU and US to the East, while he gets set to take Taiwan with limited opposition.
The missing link is India, who control the SLOC from the Pacific to Indian Oceans. China can't wage a major war without controlling that route. It can be shut off at a whim by India.
This is what I think is China's failure. Geography. They are trapped.
From China's viewpoint, there is no rush to take Taiwan. It will be taken back one day.
China and India are the big winners atm. from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. No commitment to either side, cheaper oil and gas and a world diverted from their internal "fixing" of ethnic problems.
They can throw rocks at each other up in the Himalayas to keep the warriors happy.
When you are ahead, why change the game, just develop your bluffing abilities.
gg
Absolutely, once the U.S has removed any perceived intellectual property from mainland Taiwan it is just another small island near China.From China's viewpoint, there is no rush to take Taiwan. It will be taken back one day.
China and India are the big winners atm. from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. No commitment to either side, cheaper oil and gas and a world diverted from
gg
I think there's also a broader shift likely to flow from that.I think the Ukraine war has solidified the problems of globalisation, particularly with energy security.
I think the long term trend towards globalisation is not going to stop, this is just an example of the two step forwards one step back way humans stumble forward.I think there's also a broader shift likely to flow from that.
One once side of that debate are a seemingly unlikely bunch of allies, that being the likes of engineers, scientists, military strategists and environmentalists, have warned of this threat for decades. Given the absolute importance of energy, having supply in the hands of others has long been seen as an unacceptable risk.
On the other side of that debate are economic and political ideologies of free trade and mutual interdependency and so on.
Suffice to say at this point it would be a brave person who argued for the latter.
Energy is the most crucial resource since without that everything else ceases to function and does so rapidly but ultimately the same concept applies to anything. Depending on others for essential goods or services comes with a very real risk of being backed into a corner.
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