Ukraine War

[Sean K]

Or maybe not taking any US/Ukrainian gov report as THE source of truth?

There are many more sources of information on this war than just the Russian, US, EU, UN or main stream media. What's your 'source of truth' qldfrog?

 

[JohnDe]

 

[Dona Ferentes]

There are many more sources of information on this war than just the Russian, US, EU, UN or main stream media. What's your 'source of truth' qldfrog?

good to see the frogster still having a go. He's got me on Ignore. Suits me.

 

[JohnDe]

good to see the frogster still having a go. He's got me on Ignore. Suits me.

Same, but I'm sure he uses another user name to read our posts ?

 

[JohnDe]

Amnesty International Australia

Amnesty International Australia. 369,274 likes · 5,410 talking about this. We're a worldwide community of people who take injustice personally.

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[Sean K]

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Amnesty International Australia

Amnesty International Australia. 369,274 likes · 5,410 talking about this. We're a worldwide community of people who take injustice personally.

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Ukraine: Massive, urgent response needed to meet soaring needs

Additional ICRC staff arrived in Ukraine this week to significantly scale up our work, including medical staff, weapons contamination specialists and other emergency team members.

www.icrc.org

Crisis in Ukraine | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

 

[investtrader]

Now wanting europe to pay for oil and gas in rubles doesnt sound like a mad man , i believe the oligarchy and other big players from the days of the Soviet era are involved as well.

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2022/03/782659/putin-tells-europe-pay-gas-rubles

Russia/china/Brazil and other Emerging nations who do not want to be under the control of USD are likely to be thinking of implementing maybe russo-sino petro currency.

If u study history, u will understand that the notion of russia joining NATO is not possible.

More importantly, Most of the world is undergoing massive inflation now and likely a recession/stagflation soon as well ala 1970s again.

I have hedged my bets by getting more exposure to gold, oil and other commodities stocks. It would be prudent to stock up on daily necessities as well as some fuel. Most younger Australians will not remember the days when we had 15percent interest rates and fuel shortages.

Russian troll ....

 

[Value Collector]

Get the facts straight ..
It was just a fertiliser factory which was hit by Russian shelling on 21st march, resulting in release of some ammonia gases, a component of chemical fertilisers , requiring civilians to stay indoors.

So now the Americans are making up a task force to respond to possible chemical attacks. Lol...

So if the Russians somehow caused a nuclear leak by shelling one of the 15 nuclear reactors Ukraine has, then they will potentially use nuclear weapons? How about talk of nuclear response task force?

Russians said they shelled it coz the Ukrainians had planted mines , ready to explode the ammonia should Russia invade the city and kill civilians then blame it on the Russians.

That fertiliser factory is 226 hectares and makes 120000tonnes of fertiliser a year.

LOL.. I think Russian fertiliser exports just got a boost in prices

If a nuclear power plant was hit, it would definitely require a “radiological response task force”, and could definitely be considered an act of radiological warfare.

I am also not sure placing mines around a fertiliser factory would be an efficient way to cause a large explosion, Ammonium nitrate can certainly explode under the right conditions, because it is an oxidising agent but generally requires a fuel source to be present, a fire or explosion nearby is not guaranteed to cause it to explode unless other conditions are present, it is more likely to deflagrate than detonate.

But still purposefully shelling an ammonia plant is not very responsible, because they often are connected to natural gas pipes, and repeated shelling could cause a gas leak which could provide the fuel source new needed for detonation.

 

[divs4ever]

If a nuclear power plant was hit, it would definitely require a “radiological response task force”, and could definitely be considered an act of radiological warfare.

I am also not sure placing mines around a fertiliser factory would be an efficient way to cause a large explosion, Ammonium nitrate can certainly explode under the right conditions, because it is an oxidising agent but generally requires a fuel source to be present, a fire or explosion nearby is not guaranteed to cause it to explode unless other conditions are present, it is more likely to deflagrate than detonate.

But still purposefully shelling an ammonia plant is not very responsible, because they often are connected to natural gas pipes, and repeated shelling could cause a gas leak which could provide the fuel source new needed for detonation.

would almost tempt a 'madman' to 'accidentally ' trip the explosion(s) and possibly take out the gas supply to the Ukraine ( and maybe even Germany/EU ) after all most of that infrastructure would be Soviet era and a little worn out ( and under-maintained )

one side is desperate to get EU/NATO reinforcements and the other annoyed at the EU , that sounds like a dangerous mix already

 

[qldfrog]

would almost tempt a 'madman' to 'accidentally ' trip the explosion(s) and possibly take out the gas supply to the Ukraine ( and maybe even Germany/EU ) after all most of that infrastructure would be Soviet era and a little worn out ( and under-maintained )

one side is desperate to get EU/NATO reinforcements and the other annoyed at the EU , that sounds like a dangerous mix already

Same as chem explosion or even bio labs ,which do not exist in Ukraine of course..except if you talk to congress and can not lie wo going to jail....

 

[Joe Blow]

Russian troll ....

For what it's worth, I can confirm that this person is located inside Australia.

 

[JohnDe]

For what it's worth, I can confirm that this person is located inside Australia.

Yes but he can still be a Russian Troll.

 

[againsthegrain]

The trolls from troll farms have access to vpns to make their origins show the same location where the current target is

 

[Joe Blow]

The trolls from troll farms have access to vpns to make their origins show the same location where the current target is

I see a lot of VPN use by spammers as I have banned a lot of countries from registering accounts at ASF so I am very familiar with the ISPs that are used by those located overseas to make themselves appear to be in Australia. I am not seeing any evidence of VPN use in this case.

 

[JohnDe]

I believe that he lives in Australia and that he is a Russian sympathiser. I have one in my circle of friends, brainwashed by his work mates that have family connections from that side of the world.

 

[IFocus]

good to see the frogster still having a go. He's got me on Ignore. Suits me.

Same, its works great both ways

 

[JohnDe]

New phase of Ukraine war? Russia appears to shift focus​

A quick recap.

Russian forces in Ukraine appear to have shifted their focus from a ground offensive aimed at Kyiv to instead prioritising what Moscow calls the liberation of the contested Donbas region, suggesting a new phase of the war.

It appears too early to know whether this means President Vladimir Putin has scaled back his ambitions in Ukraine, but Russian military moves this week indicate a recognition of the surprisingly stout Ukrainian resistance.

Russian-backed separatists have controlled part of the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine since 2014.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday again appealed to Russia to negotiate an end to the war, but he said Ukraine would not agree to give up any of its territory for the sake of peace.

Putin's forces are under great strain in many parts of the country, and the United States and other countries are accelerating their transfer of arms and supplies to Ukraine. In recent days, US officials have said they see evidence of Ukrainian defenders going on the offensive in a limited way in some areas.

Putting a positive face on it all, the deputy chief of the Russian general staff said his forces had largely achieved the “main objectives” of the first phase of what Moscow calls a "special military operation" in Ukraine.

The Associated Press

Zelenskyy appeals for peace talks but says Ukraine won't give up any territory to Russia — as it happened

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Ukrainian troops have succeeded in containing the Russian army, forcing the Kremlin to consider negotiations with his country.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dona Ferentes]

New phase of Ukraine war? Russia appears to shift focus​

A quick recap.

There is a sober view that the Russian ' shift' is a chimera; nothing but false narrative that conviniently overlooks the timeline. But mainstream media has lapped it up.

From Understanding War ; 25 March

Institute for the Study of War

The Russian General Staff issued a fictitious report on the first month of the Russian invasion of Ukraine on March 25 claiming Russia’s primary objective is to capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. Sergei Rudskoi, first deputy chief of t

www.understandingwar.org

The Russian General Staff issued a fictitious report on the first month of the Russian invasion of Ukraine on March 25 claiming Russia’s primary objective is to capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. Sergei Rudskoi, first deputy chief of the Russian General Staff, gave a briefing to Russian press summing up the first month of the Russian invasion on March 25.[1] Rudskoi inaccurately claimed Russian forces have completed “the main tasks of the first stage of the operation,” falsely asserting that Russia has heavily degraded the Ukrainian military, enabling Russia to focus on the “main goal” of capturing Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.

Rudskoi’s comments were likely aimed mainly at a domestic Russian audience and do not accurately or completely capture current Russian war aims and planned operations. Russia’s justification for the invasion of Ukraine from the outset was the fictitious threat Moscow claimed Ukrainian forces posed to the people in Russian-occupied Donbas. The Kremlin has reiterated this justification for the war frequently as part of efforts to explain the invasion to its people and build or sustain public support for Putin and the war. Rudskoi’s framing of the capture of the rest of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts as the “main goal” of the operation is in line with this ongoing information operation.

Rudskoi’s assertion that securing the unoccupied portions of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts was always the main objective of Russia’s invasion is false. The Kremlin’s initial campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine.[2] Rudskoi’s comments could indicate that Russia has scaled back its aims and would now be satisfied with controlling the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, but that reading is likely inaccurate. Russian forces elsewhere in Ukraine have not stopped fighting and have not entirely stopped attempting to advance and seize more territory. They are also attacking and destroying Ukrainian towns and cities, conducting operations and committing war crimes that do not accord with the objectives Rudskoi claims Russia is pursuing.

Russia continues efforts to rebuild combat power and commit it to the fight to encircle and/or assault Kyiv and take Mariupol and other targets, despite repeated failures and setbacks and continuing Ukrainian counter-attacks. ......

 

[Sean K]

Zelenskyy appeals for peace talks but says Ukraine won't give up any territory to Russia — as it happened

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Ukrainian troops have succeeded in containing the Russian army, forcing the Kremlin to consider negotiations with his country.

www.abc.net.au

This was my initial assessment of what Russia were trying to do. The effort to the west was at least a diversion and the real aim is to take the eastern part of Ukraine as far as possible, potentially leaving a border down the Dnipro. I still think that's their strategic objective. Russia would prefer to have the whole of the Black Sea coast down to Moldova for themselves, but I'm not sure if they'll get there.

 

[JohnDe]