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U.S. Presidential Election 2020

Who will win the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 12 44.4%

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 15 55.6%

  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
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satanoperca said:
Well, that is dead in the water, you cannot provide fake evidence to a court, he should have done at least one unit in law at university to understand that. Chump is screwed.

Either way, it is the death of an empire.
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@wayneL do you believe Chump won or not?
And if you believe he did, do you think he is making America great again or just himself?
 
satanoperca said:
@wayneL do you believe Chump won or not?
And if you believe he did, do you think he is making America great again or just himself?
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Let's put it this way, I am having trouble believing the numbers.

If they are ridgey didge, then fair enough, Godspeed to Biden and the Democrats, America will reap what they have sown, whether that is good, bad, or indifferent.

If the numbers have been rorted, not only is it in Trump's and America's interests (whether good, bad, or indifferent), but there is a moral and legal responsibility to discover and prosecute that.

That is what this process is all about now...

Let's see what happens.
 
wayneL said:
Let's put it this way, I am having trouble believing the numbers.
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I agree.

The election was rigid!

Surely there is not 70M+ Americans that believe their future can be better in the hands of a pathological liar.
 
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As a point of order @satanoperca , can you name one politician thatt isn't a pathological liar?

How about Sleazy Joe and Komrade Kamala?

Paragons of virtue, are they?
 
The Chump man beats everyone, he went for gold lying and won the gold.

This virus will just disappear. Correct after 300,000 + US citizens will lose their lives.
We have a vaccine within weeks, that was 4months ago
The election was rigid, I won it, cannot prove it so far.

Do I need to go on.

If you wish to believe that an idiot can drain the swamp when he is the swamp, go ahead, each to their own.
 
I refer to my comment (my tuppenth) above and bid you adieu, for now.

Mpaka kesho
 
Something in english might help with the discussion. @wayneL

It seems that either sides of the extreme far right or left thinkers are drowning out the moderates that just want to get on with life, enjoy and love each other without hate and build and contribute to a great community/society.

We could simply say both the left and right are bullies.
 
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Diversity being the order of the day, I thought some English/Middle English/French/Swahili patois would've been seen as quite charming.

Damn... I will have to tell my East African born wife to stick to upper middle bogun.

But yeah, the extremes dictate the Overton Window... which for we moderates, totally sucks dog's bollox.

One should give some serious thought to where the window should actually be rather than where it is?
 
Bugger... and here I am thinking that 4 years ago the general populace of the USA voted to escape the Overton Window dictated by the establishment... isn't that what the Trump experiment was supposed to be all about ?
 
Where will Donald Trump take the US ?

I opened that thread five years ago when Trump begin his race for Presidency. He became President and has now lost office - but not in his eyes of course.

A million things have happened in the last 5 years. In some peoples eyes Trump has turned the US around and shaken the political system to its core. In the last few days however I saw a few events which, in my view, epitomized what Trump has done to the Presidency and to the US Political system.

1) A few days ago the head of Homeland cyber security, Chris Kebbs, noted that the US election results were the most secure and honest of any US election. He went one step further and provided an updated web page which addressed numerous claims of electoral malfeasance and indicted exactly where these were either mistaken or just untrue.
Chris Kebbs was taking responsibility for ensuring that the US electoral system was honest and that people could trust the results.

However he also predicted that the President , who was in fact the chief promoter of these allegations, would be enraged and that he would be fired for his actions.

As Chris predicted, today Donald Trump fired him. The President of the United States sacked the Head of a critical Department for protecting the integrity of the electoral system.....

2) As the election results have unfolded Donald Trump and his supporters have attempted to "find" evidence of some overwhelming electoral fraud that could enable Trump to be win the election. Dozens of stories have surfaced. In almost every case they have been proven wrong.

At the very most there may have been questionable votes in the hundreds across the four States that they were attempting to turn. Given that the Democrat leads in each of these States ranged from 10k to 70k there was no way the election results could be disputed.

In that context a series of Judges across the States have thrown out all claims as either misproven, lacking evidence or inconsequential.

But then the other shoe falls.

Lindsay Graham has seen electoral officers in the four States and attempted to explore how the officers could disregard hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots. This enterprise was intended to negate sufficient Democrat votes, many many thousands, to change the results.

In a nutshell ?
  • No one can have their integrity working for Trump. You either get sacked or resign.
  • If you do work for Trump you will almost inevitably become a criminal or allow criminal behavior.

Report: Lindsey Graham Suggested Tossing Out Legal Mail-In Ballots In Georgia, Secretary Of State Says

Graham is the latest Republican to suggest Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger alter Georgia’s recount process.
www.forbes.com

Trump fires top US cybersecurity official Chris Krebs for debunking false election claims | TechCrunch

Chris Krebs was appointed by President Trump to head the newly created CISA cybersecurity agency in 2018.
techcrunch.com
 
Some of the recounts for gop for those interested. Hard to find much detailed mainstream stuff.

Its a multipost thread on Twitter. More information when you click on. A few discrepancies against gop.

 
Based on what?

Chump man lost, keep the lies/fake news coming. You are supporting and perputating lies.

How hard is this for rational people to understand. You look for evidence, so far, every court in the USA has rejected Chump mans claims.

Keep supporting a liar. The human race is f----kd.
 
moXJO said:
Some of the recounts for gop for those interested. Hard to find much detailed mainstream stuff.

Its a multipost thread on Twitter. More information when you click on. A few discrepancies against gop.

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FAKE FAKE FAKE
 
moXJO said:
Some of the recounts for gop for those interested. Hard to find much detailed mainstream stuff.

Its a multipost thread on Twitter. More information when you click on. A few discrepancies against gop.

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Interesting.. I followed up the reference and , in fact, there were very good reasons why these discrepancies haven't been in mainstream media.

They mean absolutely nothing. Still worth a read though to learn more about the processes of checking and rechecking votes.
I suggest someone "cherry picked" a couple of useful figures when trying to drum up support for mistrusting the election.

State House Dome: Recounts 'find' votes, not fraud in NH

THERE IS NO evidence of widespread voter fraud in New Hampshire.
It is also true that nearly every election recount “finds” votes.
(Then more explanations of what they did and found)

.... When the recount was complete, Avard had 17,534 votes to 16,729 for Levesque.
The victory margin was 805 votes, exactly the same as before the recount.

State House Dome: Recounts 'find' votes, not fraud in NH

THERE IS NO evidence of widespread voter fraud in New Hampshire.
www.unionleader.com
 
There is an update on the voting in the US election. Still counting the last votes but nothing significant has changed .
Trump can ask for a recount in Wisconsin - if he can pony up $10m. Good luck with that.

National voting figures show Biden around 5.8M votes ahead.

Vote counting is still underway in the US. Here's where states are at

A recount in Wisconsin is looking costly for the Trump campaign, while officials in Georgia discover thousands of uncounted ballots.
www.abc.net.au
 
Simple test of voter fraud.

Senate and Congress election were conducted at the same time, same way?

Where is the claims of fraud about that?

End of discussion, seriously.
 
While we are here this discusses Trump mental health which will be uncomfortable for his supporters if so please look away now

As His Mental State Disintegrates, He Will Take Millions of People Down with Him; ‘America First’ Will Come to Mean America Last


As the most eminent mental health experts warned would happen since Donald Trump’s election, the office of the U.S. presidency has become a locus of grave psychological dysfunction.

Seldom do we see our warnings realized in real life with such recurrent, precise confirmation, as if on schedule.




Trump's Derangement Threatens the Entire World | DCReport.org

Trump's Derangement Threatens the Entire World. As His Mental State Declines, He Will Take Millions Down with Him; ‘America First’ Will Mean America Last
www.dcreport.org


Update

Calm before the storm: the shame of admitting defeat too much for Trump’s psyche

Donald Trump’s bigger-than-life persona hides an empty inner core. Exposure of any flaws in his façade has the potential of destroying him, at least in his mind, since there is nothing of substance to fall back on. Some experts believe the period ahead could therefore be the most dangerous period of Trump’s presidency. Dr Bandy X. Lee and Elizabeth Mika report.


Calm before the storm: the shame of admitting defeat too much for Trump's psyche - Michael West

Trump's bigger-than-life persona hides an empty core. Exposure of any flaws in his façade has the potential of destroying him psychically.
www.michaelwest.com.au
 
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