U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[spooly74]

Yes.

No in person voting has been counted there yet.
Seem to be calling early for Biden and holding back Trump.
But agree, can't see a path for Biden to 270.

 

[moXJO]

Im sticking with the polls of a Biden win. If Trump wins I will throw rotten vegetables at pollsters forever more.

 

[PZ99]

Im sticking with the polls of a Biden win. If Trump wins I will throw rotten vegetables at pollsters forever more.

... in jubilation or disgust ?

 

[wayneL]

Even if Biden eventually wins here, the polls to still come out smelling like rotten fish.

The polls have Biden in a landslide and that clearly is not happening.

 

[sptrawler]

The ABC (Australia) has it Biden 212/ Trump 119, but in very small letters they say "with ABC predictions".

It may be wishfull thinking?

Three hours later Biden 226/ Trump 175, ABC might be best just to report actual figures and drop predictions. Lol

 

[moXJO]

... in jubilation or disgust ?

Throwing stuff at number guys (that get it wrong) just feels right in a Trump win.

Dems need Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, 1 from Nebraska, if they don't win PA

 

[moXJO]

Boxes of mail ballots turning up in suspect looking circumstances. Lawyers and poll watches everywhere though.

 

[moXJO]

Anyone hear how Kanye is doing?

 

[wayneL]

Twitter has censored a pretty innocuous Trump tweet.

Really? Does it really matter at this stage?

This is an area which will be really interesting after the election is over and done, what is done with the tech giants.

 

[bellenuit]

As widely predicted would happen....

 

[sptrawler]

As widely predicted would happen....

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I'm not sure in the U.S, but in Australia isn't there a cut off date for postal votes to be submitted, so that they have arrived before polling day?
Isn't this to stop people voting ,when they may have an indication, of which way the election is going?
Or is it the case that postal votes in Australia are accepted after polling day?
I'm not sure which is correct.

 

[wayneL]

I wouldn't get too conspiratorial just yet, but there seems to have been some dodgy things going on in some places.

SC challenge just *may* be justified. We'll see.

 

[bellenuit]

I'm not sure in the U.S, but in Australia isn't there a cut off date for postal votes to be submitted, so that they have arrived before polling day?
Isn't this to stop people voting ,when they may have an indication, of which way the election is going?

I believe it is different for every voting precinct. What is important is that the rules are set by the local officials and not by the president. He can't change the rules just to suit himself. It also seems that he is not trying to stop postal votes being submitted after today, but stopping votes being counted after today. As far as I know the military is allowed a week for their votes to be counted after the election day.

He has also declared himself the winner and that the vote is a fraud.

This is big dictator stuff.

 

[SirRumpole]

I believe it is different for every voting precinct. What is important is that the rules are set by the local officials and not by the president. He can't change the rules just to suit himself. It also seems that he is not trying to stop postal votes being submitted after today, but stopping votes being counted after today. As far as I know the military is allowed a week for their votes to be counted after the election day.

He has also declared himself the winner and that the vote is a fraud.

This is big dictator stuff.

It also means he thinks he's losing/lost.

 

[bellenuit]

It also seems that he is not trying to stop postal votes being submitted after today, but stopping votes being counted after today

I need to qualify this. What he wants is for votes that have not yet arrived in election centres to not be counted. These votes may have well been submitted before whatever deadline has been set, but are still in the postal system (we know the story there).

 

[sptrawler]

I need to qualify this. What he wants is for votes that have not yet arrived in election centres to not be counted. These votes may have well been submitted before whatever deadline has been set, but are still in the postal system (we know the story there).

That is what I was wondering, I don't think votes that arrive after polling day are accepted, I'm not sure on that so asked the question.
But in reality it does make sense, because it would be very open to corruption of outcomes, if votes that come in after polling day were accepted.
I didn't know if that was what Trump was inferring, but if it was IMO he has every right to complain.
The votes up to and including election day, should in reality give the same outcome, those received after election day should be null and void IMO.
By the way I don't really care about the outcome, I would prefer the U.S to keep holding China to account, but that will have to happen anyway.
If they don't they will descend into a U.K style spent force, without the welfare system and the luxury of 'old money' and that would be tragic for western first world countries.
But hey that will happen long after I'm gone and probably after my grandkids have gone. ?
Just my thoughts.
Some have asked me, why do I put "just my thoughts" after a post, I do that because I don't want to argue about it, as I said it is just a thought.
If I really think something I said is right and I will stand by it, I don't add that comment, then by all means lets argue. ?

 

[PZ99]

Presumably the mail in ballots will be judged the same way as in 2016 ?

Donald Trump accepted it then.... so no wuckers right ?

" An ABC News analysis of the last two election cycles (2016 and 2018), found that more than 750,000 mail-in ballots were rejected, about 1.2% of the total ballots returned, mainly for not having valid signatures and being sent in on time.

More than 500,000 ballots were rejected in this year's primaries alone, the first test of the pandemic voting system, and a similar pattern appears to be emerging in the general election. "

750,000 mail-in ballots were rejected in 2016 and 2018. Here's why that matters.

750,000 mail-in ballots were rejected in 2016 and 2018. Here's why that matters.

abcnews.go.com

 

[SirRumpole]

What a stupid system, letting politicians (State governors) run the voting system.

I wonder if they will ever have an independent election authority like most civilised countries.

 

[bellenuit]

But in reality it does make sense, because it would be very open to corruption of outcomes, if votes that come in after polling day were accepted.
I didn't know if that was what Trump was inferring, but if it was IMO he has every right to complain.

As far as I understand it, postal votes are valid so long as they are post stamped on or before the date set by the relevant election officials. It can take several days after the election for all to be received and so long as they meet the posted deadline and signature verification they are still valid. That is what Trump is trying to stop and why he needs to get the Supreme court to annul them.

The big issue is Trump calling the counting of these votes a fraud, even though the meet the established protocols. Should he lose the election (unlikely) because of these votes, how do you think his far right nutty supporters with their guns will react?

 

[bellenuit]

What a stupid system, letting politicians (State governors) run the voting system.

Yes, completely ridiculous. Voting procedures are set by partisan local officials. They not only control the procedure to be followed, but also the placement of voting stations, opening times etc., which can be set to disenfranchise particular communities, as not all people can attend at the times and locations available.