Two-way block

[sptrawler]

I agree with the two way block, we have lost some good members because of trolling and two way blocking would stop that.

 

[frugal.rock]

Whatever you think is a good thing, Joe.
Both sides of the coin tell a tale.
There's always gunna be chalk and cheese in life, just like young red eyed Rob here...

 

[Smurf1976]

I agree with the two way block, we have lost some good members because of trolling and two way blocking would stop that.

I'd hope that trolling would be dealt with more formally and not relying on simply blocking someone.

 

[Faramir]

How do I know if I have been blocked? How does one go about redeeming oneself? I would hate to think that I have upset anyone. If a two way block was imposed on me, I would have no chance to apologise. I guess we need a two way block because others probably want to upset someone.

It’s unfortunate that we have to think of these “fixes” when ASF really needs more members and a more diverse range of members. Maybe there is no other option left but to implement a two way block.

 

[Joe Blow]

I really don't believe we have much in the way of trolling going on here as compared to other similarly sized online communities. There are some that like to stir the pot a little, but they will always exist. Traditional trolling is posting solely and deliberately for the purpose of trying to provoke another person. The only place I have seen that happen in more recent times is in a handful of political threads, and I'm not even sure if it's deliberate or just the inevitable consequence of too much relentless and uncompromising dogmatism. Passionate and vigorous disagreement with another person or persons is not necessarily trolling, even though it may appear to be that.

I've been giving the issue a lot of thought recently and I don't think a two-way block is really going to impact too many people as long as the functionality can be separated so that either a one-way or a two way ignore can be applied to specific individuals. I think we all know instinctively that those who will be impacted the most by a two-way ignore/block will probably bring it on themselves as a result of their own conduct.

Be polite and respectful and nobody will even think of blocking you. There is a social contract aspect to online communities. Everyone deserves to treated with courtesy and a basic level of respect irrespective of whether you agree with them, or even like them. It will be the breaking of this social contract that will cause people to consider blocking others, and perhaps rightly so.

 

[galumay]

How do I know if I have been blocked? How does one go about redeeming oneself?

From my perspective Faramir, you would have nothing to worry about. The members I have blocked were relentless in their aggressive and personal behaviour. Generally the type of people who end up getting blocked have no interest in redemption.

Overall I suspect its a fairly small number of members that have been put on either one or two way ignore lists, so in reality there is very little impact other than making the forum a more pleasant and friendly place. It also saves Joe from having to spend as much time moderating intransigent members.

 

[tech/a]

It’s unfortunate that we have to think of these “fixes” when ASF really needs more members and a more diverse range of members. Maybe there is no other option left but to implement a two way block.

The last thing ASF needs is to lose members who have found us.
Over the years ASF could have had the best quality of posters frequent here
But sadly I have seen many of the very best in the 20 yrs I've been around
hounded off never to be seen again. They should be nurtured.

Having said that one of the Most popular contributors here on ASF
I have on two way ignore. Im probably the only one!
But just because I dont wish to follow their postings doesn't mean
I should make life as difficult for them as humanly possible. A lot
of people love their posts.

 

[Bill M]

I have never blocked anyone on this forum. However, I believe that if it is necessary then a two way block is best.

They do that on facebook and it works a charm and no one seems to complain about it, cheers.

 

[sptrawler]

I'd hope that trolling would be dealt with more formally and not relying on simply blocking someone.

In the most part it is IMO, but there are times, where a complete move away from contact for a period of time would let tempers calm.
Untill now that hasn't been available and as I said some have left, probably from frustration and to avoid conflict, maybe trolling wasn't the best choice of words.
I was more trying to describe the person, who just can't agree to disagree and let something go.

Actually just read the Duck's post and he pretty well summed up what I meant:

The last thing ASF needs is to lose members who have found us.
Over the years ASF could have had the best quality of posters frequent here
But sadly I have seen many of the very best in the 20 yrs I've been around
hounded off never to be seen again. They should be nurtured.

 

[basilio]

I must say I'm a bit surprised at the strength of support for 2 way blocks and the comments about posters who drive away new people and frustrated many current ones. Certainly food for thought.

I suppose Tech A comment rings true.

 

[Smurf1976]

In the most part it is IMO, but there are times, where a complete move away from contact for a period of time would let tempers calm.
Untill now that hasn't been available and as I said some have left, probably from frustration and to avoid conflict, maybe trolling wasn't the best choice of words.
I was more trying to describe the person, who just can't agree to disagree and let something go.

Actually just read the Duck's post and he pretty well summed up what I meant:

I think that I'm seeing the issue in a different context to most.

How I'm seeing it is the scenario that I'm bearish in the AUD (for example) and you're strongly bullish on the AUD. You choose to put yourself in an echo chamber by blocking me in order to not see my bearish posts but in doing so you've put me in an echo chamber also by not seeing your counterargument.

The idea of using it to block someone because they're being aggressive etc hadn't really occurred to be honest although I do see the point. That perhaps reflects a personal world view - I'm open to hearing anything and just assume that others are likewise and will be polite. There's never a place for rudeness in my view, that has no place here or anywhere.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm open to hearing anything and just assume that others are likewise and will be polite. There's never a place for rudeness in my view, that has no place here or anywhere.

The World would be a much better place, if everyone adopted that reasoning smurf.
Unfortunately many just feel, that all that is required is more shouting and intimidation.
The down side for the forum is, many on the receiving end, would rather walk away than respond or retaliate.
For some, argument is a form of stimulation or a way to vent, for others it is a rather unpleasant experience.
As Joe said, this is fundamentally a stock forum, it really has been hi jacked by social issues.
Now that Joe's time and money has been spent on the software upgrade, it probably is time to reclaim its identity.

 

[Country Lad]

There's never a place for rudeness in my view, that has no place here or anywhere.

I have noticed a significant drop (to just about zero) in rudeness and abuse since I blocked some people quite a while ago. Have I missed out on anything? Highly unlikely.

 

[Smurf1976]

It would probably encourage an improvement in behaviour if members could see how many others were blocking their posts.

That doesn't necessarily mean identifying who those others are, just that I can see that x people are blocking me. If the number starts going up well then I need to take a look in the mirror............

 

[sptrawler]

It would probably encourage an improvement in behaviour if members could see how many others were blocking their posts.

That doesn't necessarily mean identifying who those others are, just that I can see that x people are blocking me. If the number starts going up well then I need to take a look in the mirror............

As usual smurf a noble thought, more than likely the poster will just think those who are ignoring them are cretins, there is a reason a lot of people will be ignoring them and it probably isn't a recent reaction in their lives. ? .

 

[kenny]

I'm a supporter of the two way block, Joe but would it be useful to set up a Free Speech channel of sorts where there are no blocks? Users participate if they choose and it gives an outlet for those blocked to still post.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm a supporter of the two way block, Joe but would it be useful to set up a Free Speech channel of sorts where there are no blocks? Users participate if they choose and it gives an outlet for those blocked to still post.

From my understanding kenny, the block is only between two posters, so if you and another poster don't get on you can block seeing their posts and stop them from seeing yours.
It doesn't stop you from posting and everyone else seeing the post, it just stops long winded circular arguments between two members who can't agree to disagree bogging down a thread, with repeating the same argument over and over.
It doesn't seem to happen as much in the stock section as the general chat section.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I'm a supporter of the two way block, Joe but would it be useful to set up a Free Speech channel of sorts where there are no blocks? Users participate if they choose and it gives an outlet for those blocked to still post.

I'm very much against free speech. Look at Victoria for gawds sake, all the nuts down there and also Byron Bay, full of cherries. People can still post but if they annoy an individual that person can atm. ignore them and double block if that becomes the new rule. All good as long as it is flagged when they join or first post

Since the Orange Fool got into the White House narcissists have come out of the woodwork with their brand of righteousness which stifles debate. I comment in the Australian, Times of London and the Guardian and only the Guardian has this type of nutter. Perhaps because its free and has columnists who are left fascists, not saying the other two don't have their own paid up right fascists.

Up until this year I've never had anyone on ASF on ignore but had three until a few weeks ago, and now only one, who I'll probably take off ignore soon. Sometimes you need a break from people who irritate you.

gg

 

[finicky]

This thread seems like precious fragile self indulgence to me.
We don't have enough people posting on stocks!
The most long lived threads here are on topics like this, although this is the ridiculous worst. Oooh, I don't want a nasty person to view my posts - who gives a f*#k. Wake up if you actually care about more ASX participants joining this site actively.
Please God, a win for President Trump for the hope of the Western world, the USA <- not an attempt at sarcasm.

 

[galumay]

*blocked