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The reason he most likely wants the money is to finance other projects. I think he likes not having public listed companies where he constantly has to bend to the rules.

There was little innovation with cook. He's a good manager. Imo he missed a lot of opportunities and backed a lot of flops. Apple is no longer at the forefront of innovative products.

Elon made a crazy deal that no one thought he would achieve and managed to pull it off. I'm not arguing it's a bad deal or his "morals" are off. Or even that he's a bit of a sht cnt. I'm saying Tesla really gets clipped if he walks.
 
His cult is seriously wide in tech circles. There's a confidence in his ability from investors. These guys buy it with every spare cent.
I'd argue that Tesla would ensure its demise if he walked. Could you imagine how far short sellers could push this down.
 

You have nailed it.

Elon Musk once considered taking Tesla private.

He is not like most people, but then how many geniuses are?

Elon has dreams that most of his investors want to see come to fruition. Including the ones that are not part of the Tesla group. Space travel, Mars colonisation, robotics, AI, Neuralink which will aid paralyzed people.

This all takes a lot of money and resources to start and continue to the end. These are projects and research that will help future generations, robotics is already seen as a way to help countries with aging populations and worker shortages.
 
The reason he most likely wants the money is to finance other projects. I think he likes not having public listed companies where he constantly has to bend to the rules.
Ok, thanks Elon for clipping Tesla shareholders equity to go finance projects without us, sounds like a great manager, he can just sell Tesla shares if he want to finance another project, like he did when he bought twitter. Tesla share holders equity is not his private piggy bank.

There was little innovation with cook. He's a good manager. Imo he missed a lot of opportunities and backed a lot of flops. Apple is no longer at the forefront of innovative products.

Innovation wasn't a metric in Elon's pay packet, it was share price gain. Tim Cook would have been paid over $200 Billion on the same basis.


I'm saying Tesla really gets clipped if he walks.
Maybe maybe not, in the short term yes, but many companies have grown a lot with their founders gone, look at Apple, Disney, Walmart, Mc Donalds and many others.
 
On the topic of Bezos, he has created much more market value than Elon also, but never come close to earning even $1 Billion in pay.

Bezos earned $1.7 Million in salary last year, sh#t we could hirer Bezos for 28,000 years instead of Musk, Hell even if we hirer Cook, Bezos, Buffet we could have a few hundred years of managers HAHAHA
 
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This seems like a personal gripe?
I didn't hear this kind of talk when the deal was made.

You are talking to the wrong guy. I think musk is brilliant but his middle name is "shifty". The guy has sh1tted me for years over some of his takes.

All those other companies are in the "meh" stage, good to have in the portfolio. Tesla has robotaxi, optimus, dojo chip each could produce large windfalls.

Bezos is a smart guy but he literally built a phallus shaped rocket. He will most likely end as the runner up in everything.

Musks companies have built a reusable rocket that's been tested over and over.
Manufactured at scale an electric car.
produced large scale battery storage.
Starlink.
Hyperloop
Neuralink
I'm sure he was working on an electric jet.
Trying to get to Mars.

None of the ceos you mentioned are worth sht in this field of innovation. I wouldn't want them just yet. At a later stage yes maybe. But there is only a handful of guys that are doing really innovative things. The list of guys you provided are not those guys. You could hire all of them and it wouldn't help.
 
Musk isn't like other CEOs working solely for the company. He is deliberately developing technologies separate to Tesla. He has little loyalty to Tesla.

This has forced shareholders to allow him to strip their wealth to keep aligned. Not nice, forced, but that's how it is.

Even now we can't be sure Musk will necessarily act in Tesla's interests if it conflicts with his own. But if you were a shareholder you would hope that, after receiving this largesse, he would, but I stress the word hope.
 

Some people are so bitter that they can’t see past their hate.

There has been mention of some billionaires only receiving a token payment for their efforts.

Seriously, who believes that Warren Buffet’s pay is $100 per week, or some other billionaire pays himself $1.00, or another works for free?

Those billionaires sort their salaries so that they pay minimal taxes.

In 2023 Elon Musk paid US$11 billion in taxes.

While Warren Buffett famously stated that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.
 
Musk rocket company has nothing to do with tesla
 
Hence why I have sold off most of my shares in Tesla, and moved it to Berkshire Hathaway, they are more shareholder friendly.

I only have a token 50 shares holding, my wife has a few more than me, I am happy to hold those few as a token, because I do believe in Tesla, it’s just we can’t be sure how much of any upside we will get to keep and how much will be clipped. But we know 100% of the downside risk is ours.
 
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I agree with the premise that Musk is a wild card. I don't trust the guy on multiple levels. But on the development and mass scale of tech then I don't think there is many on his level.
 
What do you guys believe Elon think of the masses of religious like tesla fans buying cars to save the planet?
Useful cashed up tools.
Elon perfectly understand physics, does not listen to propaganda and use whatever force, assets available to fulfill his entrepreneurial spirit

Tesla job is a done job for him, seriously, what next..an incremental battery change or new tech?
Self driving is also in incremental, not revolutionary steps.
The exciting part of tesla is done.
let's move on, get as much cash and proceed to the new really exciting projects.
I 100% understand him, yes it is not in the interests of the shareholders but what should they complain about?
Go Elon and bring another new frontier down, governments can't do that anymore and only raw $ by the billions allow for both innovation and the way to push back the government mediocracy rules and tapes.
Good on him
 
You literally missed the rise.
Did this come from an ideological position on Musks politics?
When you originally mentioned it I dove in a bit to see if it was warranted and I came away bullish.
Was it just the numbers didn't stack up with the contract and rabid fan boys voting again?
Your position on Tesla has done a 180 and it feels like the contract isn't as greater deal as musk being a shtball. He was always a shtball.
What turned you from fan to foe?
Do you still like your EV I feel like this is the perfect time to actually get a good honest review from you.

I'm back to swing trades after the top blew off and agree with most of what you are saying. But optimus alone would be a game changer.
I don't agree that there is limited upside.

But the possibility of a fall from here, yes I agree with that. If democrats look like winning I think Tesla will take a hit and languish.
 
I love other side opinions. Mine can be totally wrong at any moment.
 
Tesla has always been a high-risk investment; most people realise this. However, it has matured and proven itself to be a leader, which has forced other companies to chase it. some of the big automotive manufacturers have failed and instead are in discussion with Tesla to purchase technology.

Musk's visions are many and varied. He sees Tesla has a company that forces the establishment to move forward with innovation and technology, Tesla got EV's into the mainstream. Before Tesla there was GM with their plans for an EV future, but they scrapped those plans out of fear and greed.

Now Tesla is more than an EV company, they are investing in AI for driverless technology, robotics for human assistance, battery technology for many and varied uses.

There are people in the world that are not able to see into the distant future, they are more into the present. Nothing wrong with that, but we can't let those people dictate, and I have faith in humanity that they won't. History has shown that we alwyas move forward, regardless of the naysayers.

Elon Musk has ideas and vision for a better future, he has created other companies to help see his plans come to fruition. Those ideas and plans need funding,

Musk uses his money to fund those projects.


each of which could potentially contribute to an extraterrestrial colony, according to the documents and the people with knowledge of the efforts.
The Boring Company, a private tunneling venture founded by Mr. Musk, was started in part to ready equipment to burrow under Mars’s surface, two of the people said. Mr. Musk has told people that he bought X, the social media platform, partly to help test how a citizen-led government that rules by consensus might work on Mars. He has also said that he envisions residents on the planet will drive a version of the steel-paneled Cybertrucks made by Tesla, his electric vehicle company.

 
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I love other side opinions. Mine can be totally wrong at any moment.
It all depends on the self drive technology.
When Musk makes it work with the help of Tesla engineers, will it use the Ai chips he is developing separately? Who will own the software?
Will Tesla end up like Samsung with Android, the actual tech owned and updated separately by Musk and sold to all parties/competitors willing to pay?

I think he will look after Tesla shareholders to the extent they may double their money but I think he won't let them have much more than that. Could be wrong.
 
Simply to show the difference from the others and his ability to innovate. I'm well aware it's not Tesla
Still, what matters is whether he is building shareholder value, and so far he has built less than the other names I mentioned, but been paid 100’s or 1000’s times more.
 
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