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Tesla shareholders voted to reapprove Elon Musk’s multibillion-dollar pay package...Shareholders also voted in favour of moving the company’s legal home from Delaware to Texas, where Tesla has its headquarters and one of its key factories. The board had urged investors to support the move saying that Texas was Tesla’s “home state.”



 
From the outside looking in, I think it shows a great deal of shareholder confidence, good on them.
Nah, remember a lot of the voting interest was owned by people that benefit.

Secondly a large amount of Tesla shares are owned by people that don’t even really understand the numbers.

Thirdly, you should have seen the fear mongering rubbish they sent out to share holders, you wouldn’t think it was a vote about a managers pay packet, it was talking about survival of the company, and saying if you vote against the value of your investment could be lost, mean while the actual vote was a vote to clip 15% of the value off your stock and pass it to Elon.
 
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I guess you have to ask would you have had a Tesla without Musk? And you complain about a drop in your share value of 15%, you can always sell if you think you wont get the 15% back.
He would probably still be rich without you being a shareholder.
No one is forced to hold the shares, if they think it was a bad move.
I dont hold.
 
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I have sold almost all of my Tesla stock now, only have 50 shares left as a little token holding.

There wouldn’t be a Tesla without Musk, but there also wouldn’t be a Tesla without all the share holders that put their money at high risk along side his.

Of course he deserves a huge wage for the Labour he put in, but $56 Billion is far too much, Tesla hasn’t even earned that much in its entire history, and 15% of share holders investment is a far to big clip to ask share holders to take to pay for the labour musk put in.

Remember 56,000 Million dollars is a lot of money, it would take Apple’s CEO 500 years to earn that, and Musk only works part time at Tesla, remember he dedicates a lot of his time to his other companies eg Space ex, Twitter and nuero link etc.
 
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There are a huge amount of companies that go broke and their shareholders lose everything, but their executives between them take huge renumerations without adding anything to the companies.
Add up how many companies go broke while capital raising as they go around the S bend and the execs all get paid.
At least Musk is making something sellable. Lol
Is Tesla market value worth more than what they are giving Musk?
Is any other company more interwound more with its founder than Tesla, maybe Jobst would follow suit, if he were still around.
Same with Bill Gates, if he was up to his eyeballs in Microsoft, big profile, means big bucks.
Musk
Bezos
Zuckerburg

All similar net worth, why?
 
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As you pointed out back then there was a very real risk Tesla could have gone broke, and its share holders took that risk and deserve to be paid for that risk, not have their returns clipped so much, that’s how risky ventures work, you need to earn a big pay day on the ones that work to fund the others that don’t.

Steve jobs paid himself $1 per year salary,

Bezos pays himself a few million a year,

They are billionaires because they worked to build strong companies who’s stock increased making them and their investors rich together by owning stock together.

Musk is basically double dipping, he has earned billions as his stock increased, and made his investors a lot of money to, but he isn’t happy with a couple of hundred Billion increase in his own shares, he wants to clip another 15% of all the rest of the shareholders.


Is Tesla market value worth more than what they are giving Musk?

Today yes, but share prices change, and he won’t refund the 15% of the company he took from his fellow shareholders if the share price drops next month, it’s a permanent transfer of 15% ownership, based on what might be a temporary increase in share price.

As I have said, I have no problem with paying him millions, but this pay packet is just to large, and Tesla couldn’t actually afford to pay him cash, so it’s being paid in equity, which just makes it worse.
 
Good point I wonder if the shareholders of Tesla today, will make more than shareholders of FMG today, in 10 years time, it will be an interesting comparison.
Or another way of looking at it, would Tesla shareholders of 10 years ago, be better off than FMG shareholders of 10 years ago today if the same amount of money was invested, both have done well.
I don't own either.
 
I don’t know, they are both very different companies with different risks profiles. I don’t really judge whether each company I own outperforms or underperforms the others, but whether each one gives me a satisfactory result based on my expectations at the beginning, because I also own them for different purposes, eg I don’t expect CLW to outperform FMG, I own it to produce steady income, if it does that it’s a success.

The money I took out of TSLA, I have put into Berkshire, where there is far less risk because of the enormous diversification, growth will be steady like a ticking clock, and management are far more shareholder friendly.

(I am not saying Berkshire will be a star performer, just that I believe with its steady profits, steady share buybacks, and ability to take advantage of the next big down turn it should perform well)
 
Looks as though nearly three quarters of tesla shareholders voted for Musks pay packet, that is a high percentage.


Musk’s Tesla Pay Package Got Big Margin in Shareholder Vote​

About 72 percent of the shares in the balloting affirmed the lucrative stock award to the chief executive in a bid to get a court to reinstate it.
 
Buying BRK in the next down turn ( not right now ) seems the logical play to me , maybe i am oversimplifying it . I get it that BRK has a lot of cash and that will help its performance against SPX during a selldown of note . Buffet is churning BRK cash through Treasury Bills which makes total sense given the 5.3% rate available atm . Maybe this is an option for cash if you are waiting/expecting a market capitulation ?
 

Some of the left leaning commentators and shareholders having a cry about a pay deal that was approved by 73% of Tesla shareholders in 2018. And yesterday it was approved again by the majority of shareholders, because a deal is a deal.

The original deal was made when Tesla shares where worth pittance, and there was a great chance that the company could fold and go bankrupt. Elon was offered a ridiculous pay deal that could have seen him fail and earn nothing or succeed and be rewarded for it. Almost no financial guru thought that Elon would pull it off, that is create the mega company that Tesla is now.

It is not up to some socialist judge and disgruntled left leaning people to change the rules after the fact. It is up to the owners of the company, the shareholders.

Elon is one of the greatest thinkers of future development in the world, his involvement will see continual development and growth. Take him out and the companies that he is involved in will go the way of Apple, resting on the past laurels and creating no new groundbreaking technology. What has Apple delivered since Steve Jobs passed away? Nothing, everything they have was either delivered when he was in charge, or in the pipeline.

Elon has started severl goround breaking initiatives, all are progressing fast. People that have a complaint should take the time to do some research and see what has been going on for the past several years at Tesla. And stop belittling shareholders for the way they voted, the majority believe in the future path and want to give it the best chance possible, they know that it is high risk, but high risk is also high reward.

To all the whiners, I understand your disbelief at how high the payout will be but that is how a market economy works. If you don't like, go live in Russia, China, Vietnam, or any other socialist controlled country. The sad thing is that Australia is not far behind those countries at the moment and heading further left faster than ever.

  • Originally approved by shareholders in 2018, the record-breaking compensation package comprising 303 million stock options at a discounted price
  • Back in 2018, shareholders approved Musk’s pay deal, with 73 percent voting in favor. However, a Delaware court chancellor later invalidated the package in January 2024. The judge, Kathaleen McCormick, ruled that the process used by Tesla’s board to create the plan was unfair to shareholders.
  • Tesla’s stock price skyrocketed nearly 1,700 percent between approval of the original pay package in 2018 and late 2021. But the stock price has since made a dramatic reversal, shedding more than half its value, including nearly 27 percent so far this year.
  • Musk used the June 13 shareholder meeting as a symbolic gesture to prove investors still believe the package they approved six years ago is fair.
 
It is great to hear a honest appraisal, at the end of the day Musk has driven Tesla to be an extremely successful company. I doubt it would have survived without him, so giving him a payout reflective of that success is appropriate IMO.
There are plenty of other successful founders of companies that have a similar outcome to Musk, whether he or they build on that wealth is yet to be seen.
 
globally agree but I think there is a required update to be done here @JohnDe ,
you are 20y ..or more behind ;-) when you quote:
"To all the whiners, I understand your disbelief at how high the payout will be but that is how a market economy works. If you don't like, go live in Russia, China, Vietnam, or any other socialist controlled country. The sad thing is that Australia is not far behind those countries at the moment and heading further left faster than ever."
I would say that both Russia and China are FAR MORE capitalist than Australia, or France/most of the EU/UK.
And there is nothing further from economic communism than these 2 countries
Not sure about Vietnam but would not be surprised to learn it is following economic free capitalism.
While it is true a Clive Palmer in either would be rich but under more government control in either Russia or China:
I am 100% sure that commoners like us have much more chance achieving serious multi digit millions USD wealth in both Russia or China with a free market economy than in socialist countries like Australia, the EU or California/NY states;
It is a sign that Tesla is moving to Texas, a state which so far has tried to push away the creeping socialism taking control of the US of A.
 
I fell out of love with Tesla last year when Elon stopped taking his tablets and tried to go up against AIPAC and the Israeli lobby in the USA and on X.com.

He appears to be attempting to fly again. Let us hope he doesn't get too close to the sun.

gg
 
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