Trading the Trend

[ducati916]

Well if you think you know more than him, or if you aren't interested in hearing other people's opinions; don't watch it.

Since you have watched it, you could provide me with an an accurate summary. I don't have time to watch endless videos.

jog on
duc

 

[ducati916]

You trade on what you believe will happen and I will trade on what I believe will happen.

I'm indifferent to what you trade.

I'm interested whether you thought gold (primarily) and now silver were advancing on the thesis of inflation or something else. I have my answer.

jog on
duc

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I'm indifferent to what you trade.

I'm interested whether you thought gold (primarily) and now silver were advancing on the thesis of inflation or something else. I have my answer.

jog on
duc

Short answer is most definitely yes. The market is pricing in severe inflationary pressure; which is why we are seeing rise in precious metals.

 

[ducati916]

You asked the questions; I gave you the answers and found others who are informed that support my view/opinion.

Yes you did. But the reasons and analysis that you are putting forward are not evidenced by the facts.

jog on
duc

 

[ducati916]

Short answer is most definitely yes. The market is pricing in severe inflationary pressure; which is why we are seeing rise in precious metals.

Then the market could well be wrong, which is why silver still has not confirmed the thesis.

jog on
duc

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Since you have watched it, you could provide me with an an accurate summary. I don't have time to watch endless videos.

jog on
duc

If you don't have the time, that is fair enough. You asked questions and I gave you the information for those questions to be answered. Disregard it if you wish.

I am not going to provide you with a transcript of the interview.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Then the market could well be wrong, which is why silver still has not confirmed the thesis.

jog on
duc

The thesis is confirmed in my view; I have posted the information to support the thesis:

1. Significant investment in silver ETPs/ETFs as highlighted in the Silver Institute demand/supply reports.

2. Significant rise in managed money moving into long future positions as highlighted in the COT from the CME.

 

[over9k]

Isn't gold the best electrical conductor?

The USD isn't going to collapse chronos. In fact, it's going to be even more of a safe haven in 2030 than it already has been. It's just getting a bit of a kick in the nuts at the moment thanks to the virus. This will pass.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Isn't gold the best electrical conductor?

The USD isn't going to collapse chronos. In fact, it's going to be even more of a safe haven in 2030 than it already has been. It's just getting a bit of a kick in the nuts at the moment thanks to the virus. This will pass.

I didn't say that the USA is going to collapse; Mr Duc's friend Mr Fly said that.

I think USA will have to deal with serious inflationary issues though.

Here is the metal table that you are after, silver is the GOD METAL for electricity:

 

[Beaches]

Here is the metal table that you are after, silver is the GOD METAL for electricity:

The most electrically conductive element is silver, followed by copper and gold. Although it is the best conductor, copper and gold are used more often in electrical applications because copper is less expensive and gold has a much higher corrosion resistance. Because silver tarnishes, it is less desirable for high frequencies because the exterior surface becomes less conductive.​

Because of cost, the use of silver in electrical and electronic components is restricted to specialty components; the use of silver wire as a conductor is rare. You can find silver in some high-quality types of electronic solder, as it makes a better electrical connection than more common tin-lead or bismuth alloys. Silver-based inks are used to print antennas on circuit boards. Although gold’s conductivity is not as high as silver’s, it does not form oxide or sulfide tarnishes that interfere with a good electrical connection; for this reason, many electrical connectors use a microscopically thin layer of gold to ensure that electrical contacts stay clean and reliable over long periods of time.

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[over9k]

Yeah I was going to ask why I'd seen gold connectors for stuff and not silver. Corrosion. Makes sense.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

The most electrically conductive element is silver, followed by copper and gold. Although it is the best conductor, copper and gold are used more often in electrical applications because copper is less expensive and gold has a much higher corrosion resistance. Because silver tarnishes, it is less desirable for high frequencies because the exterior surface becomes less conductive.​

Because of cost, the use of silver in electrical and electronic components is restricted to specialty components; the use of silver wire as a conductor is rare. You can find silver in some high-quality types of electronic solder, as it makes a better electrical connection than more common tin-lead or bismuth alloys. Silver-based inks are used to print antennas on circuit boards. Although gold’s conductivity is not as high as silver’s, it does not form oxide or sulfide tarnishes that interfere with a good electrical connection; for this reason, many electrical connectors use a microscopically thin layer of gold to ensure that electrical contacts stay clean and reliable over long periods of time.

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Silver is not only the most electrically conductive it has the highest thermal conductivity. Sure it tarnishes when in contact with sulfur in the air, a quick polish is all that's needed; however it is still far superior to copper, copper actually corrodes .

You are correct with gold; that is why gold is used in aircraft cockpit window heating elements for anti-icing .

Gold is not completely impervious to chemical solutions; squirt a combination of hydrochloric acid and nitric acid on the gold; and you will find out. Aqua Regia.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Yeah I was going to ask why I'd seen gold connectors for stuff and not silver. Corrosion. Makes sense.

Err; silver doesn't corrode. That is why it is called a noble metal

 

[Beaches]

Err; silver doesn't corrode. That is why it is called a noble metal

All metals, apart from pure gold, will corrode naturally when exposed to certain chemicals which can be present in air. High relative humidity, moisture, and air pollutants are common causes of corrosion in metals, including silver. Silver is known in the chemistry world as a noble metal which means it is resistant to corrosion, but not completely. Whether silver plating or pure silver, the composite of the metal will tarnish when exposed to air and sulfur. Because silver tarnishes, it is less desirable for high frequencies because the exterior surface becomes less conductive​

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

All metals, apart from pure gold, will corrode naturally when exposed to certain chemicals which can be present in air. High relative humidity, moisture, and air pollutants are common causes of corrosion in metals, including silver. Silver is known in the chemistry world as a noble metal which means it is resistant to corrosion, but not completely. Whether silver plating or pure silver, the composite of the metal will tarnish when exposed to air and sulfur.​

OK, if you want to get technical. The noble metals are noble, due to their resistance to corrosion.

There is a major difference between surface tarnish and corrosion in general speak. Copper is not a noble metal and is not in the same class.

I can make all noble metals react with various chemical solutions.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I'm lost. What are duc and C-P arguing about?

gg

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

All metals, apart from pure gold, will corrode naturally when exposed to certain chemicals which can be present in air. High relative humidity, moisture, and air pollutants are common causes of corrosion in metals, including silver. Silver is known in the chemistry world as a noble metal which means it is resistant to corrosion, but not completely. Whether silver plating or pure silver, the composite of the metal will tarnish when exposed to air and sulfur. Because silver tarnishes, it is less desirable for high frequencies because the exterior surface becomes less conductive​

Gold tarnishes also:

• Perspiration (everyone's body chemistry is different, hence this is why some are more susceptible than others); for women, the time of the month can influence their body chemistry.
• Perfume, hair or deodorant sprays,
• Tarnishing during storage (storage boxes may contain organic sulfur compounds),
• Leaching of acid/ cleaning solutions from surface microporosity from cast jewelry; this causes corrosion locally (such porosity may even trap perspiration during wear, causing local corrosion)
• Preparation of vegetables such as onions and spices (many foodstuffs contain sulfur compounds and others are also acidic).

. Anyway; nice attempt at trying to declass silver as a noble metal.

 

[Beaches]

Around 36 million ounces of silver are currently used in ICE cars each year. The uses include, multiple circuit boards, window demisters, some connections etc. The use of silver in cars will not change significantly for electric vehicles. Silver will never replace copper for the main wiring simply due to cost issues. Any increase in conductivity is not worth the additional cost of using silver for wiring.

Apologies to Duc for hijacking the thread and getting way off topic. Happy to discuss elsewhere but will not comment again here.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I'm lost. What are duc and C-P arguing about?

gg

Not an argument at all. Mr Duc asked me some questions; I gave him my answers with some information. Mr Duc wanted me to write a summary for him, I declined the job offer and requested that he watch the interview to get the information that he was seeking.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Around 36 million ounces of silver are currently used in ICE cars each year. The uses include, multiple circuit boards, window demisters, some connections etc. The use of silver in cars will not change significantly for electric vehicles. Silver will never replace copper for the main wiring simply due to cost issues. Any increase in conductivity is not worth the additional cost of using silver for wiring.

Apologies to Duc for hijacking the thread and getting way off topic. Happy to discuss elsewhere but will not comment again here.

OK; we can move this discussion over to the Silver thread.