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Trading The SPI - Gann Techniques

hissho said:
hi Yogi and Mag
your Gann approach is just so intriguing!
any update on XJO analysis? or even on US markets?

thanks
Hello Hissho,


I have essentially decided to greatly curtail my posting on ASF for a number of reasons.

I received a very unpleasant PM a couple of weeks ago that accused me of plagiarising materials from the net (the implication was that I was merely paraphrasing and copying materials from Bill McLaren’s site and Frank Dilernia’s materials). I was in essence told I should stop posting on ASF (essentially that the ASF wasn’t big enough for the two of us).

Normally, I wouldn’t let this effect me, and really couldn’t care less what this person thinks.

However, the most upsetting thing to me on a personal note though, was the bizarre and chilling threat by this person to “slit their wrists”, and that I could attend their funeral in Adelaide. Hey, I have a sense of humour like anyone else, but this was extremely callous given this person has no idea of the pain and emptiness left after a suicide – to those left behind it is often a sharp devastating tragedy that cannot be erased, and lives with you forever.

So, on top of this tirade of sociopathic abuse, wavepicker and I just got sick of all the nonsense from the peon brigade, the clowns misleading people, and the deluge of self promotion.

I find it truly ironic that this person ostensibly stands for free and open discussion, but acts in a way that is contrary to being inclusive, and in fact causes a considerable amount of unrest. Chest thumping about how good one is, and deriding others unnecessarily I think is antithetical to the spirit and intent of what the ASF was supposed to be about. In fact it is downright hypocritical.

What irritates me most is that I’m now supposed to drop everything for this sociopath/egotist, and put up all the IP I’ve developed over the years for him to look at – otherwise it’s all “smokes and mirrors”.

Reality: I called the most probable date of the recent high, well out from the event, then a week out called the most probable index level for the XAO within a point.

In my style there is no guarantee that any forecast will work, only probabilities which are estimated using a range of methods. Firstly, I clearly identify the highest probability in my posts first, then balance these with failure criteria. It’s really simple, but the peon’s label this as an “each way bet”. This is so obtuse not recognising that with any forecast, you need to identify the criteria for the primary forecast to fail, and what the ramifications are if so.

Hence my comments were very careful to identify caveats where the forecast may have failed, and the possible scenarios that might unfold. In my style, different aspects have different levels of probability, and the actual pattern that unfolds may require some adjustments along the way (many micro, some macro), since the realm of possibilities is quite large, but the major tipping points can be identified and assigned probabilities.

I strongly resent being accused of plagiarism, and I resent being characterised as a charlatan. I have no course to sell (unlike others – what I do is to say what worked for me if others are interested – that’s all, no affiliation). I do NOT teach Gann methods in any professional capacity (I do sometimes teach in derivatives – specifically options - under licensed organisations – but in financial circles Gann is considered “Voodoo”, so I usually diplomatically avoid motioning it).

If any other person called the XAO top specifically (aside from Yogi’s smiley face in his post), and more importantly the index level, I’d like to see someone demonstrate this, and then demonstrate that I plagiarised it. Frank Dilernia did not specifically identify a date (+/- 1 trading day), or specifically identify an index level. He did in fact correctly identify February – March as dangerous for longs, and did correctly forecast wide range days in March. For that matter, so did a lot of commentators. None that I know of called the date specifically as a high, or the index level. I did.

To assert that I plagiarised from Dilernia or McLaren is patently false, and I categorically deny this accusation.

As a result of this ongoing unpleasantness, I have decided to focus my attention on trading and the ongoing development of my trading style. While I have enjoyed many of the discussions on ASF, and think that there were some really constructive threads and some great people, there are a small minority of spoilers that have dragged the site down to the point I find it hard to be motivated to post anymore.

While I didn’t want to make a big song and dance about this like some prim donnas, (and don’t want to be one – ironically doing this in a way achieves that – I really wish it didn’t), essentially I’ve had enough…

There are some who have PM’d me, and I’m happy to maintain contact in this way for the time being for those who are interested. I may from time to time post some musings (probably on this thread).

I hope that the discussions in the past have given some of you food for thought, wether we agreed or not, and that the course of the discussions has benefited many of you.

I wish all of you the best of luck and success.


Yours Faithfully


Magdoran
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Hi Magdoran,
I do hope you continue to post as I have found a lot of value in your posts.
Take care
Snake
We also hope you continue to post Magdoran and would like to thank you for all your previous input.
We have found plenty of value in your posts.
Take care .
 
Hi Magdoran,
I too hope you continue to post as I have found your posts of value.
Don't let the idiots get to you.

Regards.
Rogue Trading
 
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..... just keep posting Magdoran and forget about those idiots,
as they try to bring down anybody who is posting, anything
like a grain of truth !~!

Always look forward to your comments and analysis, though
don't always get time to reply these days ..... :)

Stick around, buddy ... we need you ... !~!

have a great weekend

paul

:)
 
After a couple of brief PMs to Mag, I purchased McLaren's Seminar DVD and book Gann made Easy -- Mag noted if you joined McLaren's service you should understand these first.

I have Aget but noticed that Mag uses Gann Pro --- As I have never bothered to look at the Gann side of Aget and wouldn't know at this stage what to look for, does anyone know if Aget up to the job (McLaren)?

Or is Gann based Software missing the vital points ?


Thanks for any replies.
 
Does anyone have any chart views they'd care to offer on as to whether this year will have the same low volume price slump after the end of April, as happened last year?

I notice that most chart discussions on the ASF dont extend the discussion to past May [when the rally ends(?)] and that this is a typical and historical point of view.
 
I am new to Gann just started and amazed with it.

Please let me know what you think of my chart of the aussie200 with Gann line and retractments.

from what i see it is still moving in the 45degree harmony making very healthy under 33% bearish retractments.

if the next retractment fails to get passed 33% and stays on its 45degree price harmony line it is a short side entry.

note it is moving into unstastanible price areas based on Gann fan but due to the very strong rejection at under 33% retraction it is still a valid trend.

am i way off the mark guys?

*** If my angle is not 45 degrees it is due to my IG not saving it right i played around with it but it is screwing up the line when i save it.***
 

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Don't know how accurate this is -- just playing around with Dilernia's methodology -- the "0" & "1" is a McLaren 0,1,2,3 count down from the High --- see how it pans out ? ( XJO cash )
 

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Went long this morning I saw a pivot point at support of 5900 with price moving in harmony with 45degree line, then it shot up in to the unstable price it sits on now on the Gann fan. So for normal price harmony to be corrected a retractment from current high of 5989 to a healthy 33% - 50% will bring the price back to harmony of 45 degrees so i will wait and see, as long as the price stays above the 45 degree line It is in a bullish zone and higher prices can be expected.

God I hope this is right because Gann is great stuff!

I am also toying with the idea that a price will drop to Ganns 1x2 line of 26.2 degrees and then sit on it and break off it in a 1x1 45 degree.

I see this happen alot on short term time frames, if you add fans on all the low points it dose sit on the 26 degree 1x2 then break off in a 1x1 and then breaks harmony back to 1x2 and then happens again but i may be very wrong.

Any thoughts or advice very welcomed!
 

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Thanks for all the people who both openly and in PM’s sent through messages of support, I really appreciated the sentiment, probably more than people realise.

From time to time I may post up forecasts on this thread, but people must realise that forecasts are fallible, and the projections are contingent on a range of criteria, which if invalidated will require a reappraisal of the forecast. Please also note that this is an ongoing work in progress and that I am pioneering a range of experimental approaches (some with wavepicker), and that these are far from mature at this point.

The format for forecasts in posts will focus on the highest probability projection, and keep the alterative scenarios to a minimum in order to minimise confusion, or the misunderstanding of the purpose of failure critera.

However in my view, when in real trading situations it is imperative to encompass all the probabilities in this style of analysis in order to identify failure criteria and formulate alternative strategies as the price action unfolds.


Disclaimer: These forecasts are for interest value only, and should not be used as the basis on which to make financial decisions.

DAX Forecast:

Highest probability scenario:

High key date: 15 April 2007 +/- 1 trading day
(As per previous post number 7 on this thread).

Most likely trading days in order of probability: 16 April, 13 April,
Less likely but within precision forecast rule: 17 April, 12 April.

Note that with major cycle expiries, trend changes can occur as much as +/- 4 calendar days, since world events can bring on or delay cycle effects.

Primary Index Target: 7346.77
Secondary Index Target: 7376.98


Current 2007 time points:

Major Dates: 15 April, 21 May, 02 June
Minor Dates: 03 May

Alternative high dates: 21 May, 02 June

See Post 7 to correlate the previous forecast time points for the DAX with swing changes in trend.


Ramifications if this forecast is correct: The pattern in the DAX is the clearest cycle I can identify, and it may well have a bearing on what the other key indexes may be doing. I do see a correlation in other major stock indexes (particularly in the US – although the 10th of April specifically and up to the 14th April may be of some significance there as well, but I’m still working on this, but there is something happening around this time. There are several cycles with key increments around this time, and I am going through a rigorous process to try to interpret what this means).


PBD3M – LME Lead Futures Forecast:

Highest probability scenario:

High key date: 14 June 2007 +/- 1 trading day

Most likely trading days in order of probability (other than 14 June): 15 June equal with 13 June.

Note that with major cycle expiries, trend changes can occur as much as +/- 4 calendar days, since world events can bring on or delay cycles.

Primary Price Target: 2424.42
Secondary Price Target: 2454.48
(Unconfirmed and premature – will probably have to revise this closer to the date if the cycle remains valid).

Current 2007 time points:

Major Dates: 27 April, 09 May, 14 June, 20 July, 01 August.
Minor Dates: 21 April, 27 May, 02 July

Alternative high dates: 20 July, 01 August.



Hope this is of interest.


Kind Regards


Magdoran

P.S. This is not a return to full posting, although I will try to respond to PMs.
P.P.S Once again, thanks for all the support, there are many great people out there, and it was refreshing to receive your well wishes. Mag.
 
Magdoran,

Great to see your posting again! Dont worry about the haters!

Great stuff, thanks for the post.

They are two things I have never looked at trading yet so I know nothing about those markets but I will watch with interest.

Have a Great Easter Magdoran :)
 

Whats this mean?
If your meaning re Moggie.

Contrary to opinion (Moggies it seems).
I dont have and never have had a problem with Moggie and his posts on ASF.

Back to it Moggie.
 
Let's show a bit of courtesy. Unless trading the SPI using Gann techniques, or wanting to learn, please refrain from posting about other issues in this thread.

Cheers
 
The other dates I neglected to include was the minor 14 March... and the majors - 13 April... and the 31 May...

More gobbledygook for those not into time cycles... but as we near these, I’ll try to flesh out what the pattern of trend may be indicating.


Mag
Friday the 13th April is a key increment in the XAO cycle as previously indicated in the quote above, but is more significant since I perceive a second cycle running through the XAO which is harmonically related to the first, and both line up with significant time increments on Friday 13th.

This indicates to me the probability of very strong resistance either Friday 13th April, or could even be on Monday 16 April since the XAO index level hasn’t reached either of the resistance levels I was expecting: 6225 or 6252.

Dates from the “multi harmonic cycles” (my theory I’m working on): Significant date: 31 May. Major increments: 7 May, 19 May. Minor increments: 19 April, 01 May.

Judging by the price action today I suspect this may present resistance in time (this may not be terminal to the bullish drive, but may present a counter trend opportunity – there is a minor increment on the 19th April, and this may present support in time if it trades DOWN into this day: +/- 1 trading day).

I also suspect that if this move eventuates, that it may be a counter trend move down, and once this counter trend is complete (last time I saw this happen the move down was quite sharp – project a move down ranging from 5998, 5963, 5917 to potentially find support), suspect that XAO to rally up to retest the current major high (this Friday, possibly Monday).

If however the second cycle is actually a completion of the drive up, (and not a counter trend to the bullish drive), this may be a significant turning point – indicating this could be THE marginal high as suggested in the first forecast on this thread.

The problem I have is that there are 2 equally valid cycles running harmonically together, and this makes it difficult to determine if a completion has occurred or not, given one is extending, and the other is at the termination point. Which is right? The pattern which emerges out of this key time point is needed to determine if (assuming a pull back happens) the move that eventuates is a counter trend, or a change in trend.

Also, note that the 14th and 15th April feature in many of the major index cycles I perceive (US key indexes, DAX, Nikkei), (FTSE had a minor increment on the 11th April). The DAX looks like it may not achieve the index level I projected, having found resistance at exactly the next price increment down, hence not sure how the cycle will stand up.

Some cycles I am seeing look like they could be terminal cycles (US – both minor and major cycles are terminating on or around the 14th April, and some cycles have major increments around this date), hence I’m waiting to see how all these indexes trade into these dates. I suspect that the US may well lead all the other indexes depending on what it does.

I’m expecting some kind of move to happen in the US, (suspect a bearish one if the index can’t take out the existing highs, quite a different pattern to the XAO), but can’t quite read the pattern, since the move down in the US indexes seems to have been corrective, and the move up seems to have been impulsive, not suggesting a bearish impulse down… hence may see some kind of “ABC” corrective move if a bearish move eventuates next week, but I’m still uncertain about this until the price action plays out next week.

I suspect many of the indexes may trade UP into these increments to find RESISTANCE, but may trade DOWN into them and find SUPPORT. Hence watching how the indexes trade over the next few days may help to fill in some blank spaces in the pattern.


Regards


Magdoran
 
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Hi folks,

Updating some further DOW/XJO time cycle analysis:

DOW in April 07 ... an underlying difficult cycle for
the DOW, until the end of April 07, with negative
news coming in 20042007 ... watching longitudes
15 West, 138 East and 101 West ... (windy weather???)

25-26042007 ... more difficult times for DOW here,
possibly triggered by aggression or violence .....
another war ... perhaps???

26-30042007 ... likely to be VERY negative for
Aussie XJO market, too ...

04-07052007 ... should see a positive DOW.

18-21052007 ... minor DOW cycle ...

23052007 ... significant DOW move ... looking
currency trigger here ...(???)

18-28052007 ... 2 conflicting cycles for Aussie XJO
will have us looking for some extreme volatility, in
this period of time.

28052007-05062007 ... may be particularly negative
for DOW, as well.

06-07062007 ... Aussie XJO should be positive,
but will likely fade badly, from late-07062007 and
into 08062007 is likely to be very negative, again.

have a great weekend

paul

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