Julia
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No need to apologise Chaos. It's an interesting and sensible post.i haven't been cos i generally refuse to look at self help stuff. (covered this in the psychology thread in "general")
from what you say, that stuff about pleasure and pain is basic psychology, conditioning in fact. Pavlov did it with his dogs.
and incorrect (imo) about the will power. Anything that involves you doing something that you don't want to do involves willpower, unless you love your job SOO much, even just the act of getting up at *time* in the morning just to go to work takes willpower.
Smoking (for smoker) is an enjoyable behaviour, unless you manage to reshape thought around smoking, the only way you will be able to stop is via self-regulation/self control/willpower. The more times you're able to stop the more likely you will continue to abstain... also, what generally happens with 'reformed" smokers is that the enjoyment of cigarettes hasn't decreased at all, what's changed is that either
a/ the smoking as a rewarding behaviour has decreased OR
b/ that the NOT smoking behaviour has become more desirable.
--> check out the Premack Principle for this one....
--> also check out Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for the cognitive restructuring..
what i think about self help, is that the people who benefit are most likely the people who probably could've done it themselves, and the people who don't are the people who went looking for somebody else to blame..
repetition isn't the mother of all skills, perfect repetition is.
anybody can swing a golf club 1000 times.... question is whether you can do it perfectly every time even when you're tired.
what i feel people gain the most (the ones who can't do it alone) they need a large group in order to feel that they have others who are trying to do what they're doing. I mean really people don't HAVE to go to church to listen to sermons, they could technically preach to themselves at home.
... sorry i can never keep posts short ^^"