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Logique said:
Not your fault Sails, but I don't believe that is the full transcript. I've read it twice and can't see the reference to the 6 months paid maternity leave, which I plainly heard on the TV last night.
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Didn't Abbott say if it wasn't written down then it doesn't count as a promise! :D:D
 
Thought Abbott's budget reply was a good political speech for the faithful but still lacked any real substance or depth.

The on going argument that you are doing it tough on $150K has been interesting.
 
Logique said:
Damn fine Budget Reply speech last night.

The 6mths paid maternity leave is a liitle too long to have my full support - some paid leave yes, but 6 mths? But overall I think Abbott's speech was well tuned and hit the mark.
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Agree on both counts. He came across very well, much improved, and the content was overall good, except for the lack of any actual suggestions about how the Coalition would pay for their plans.
Probably not necessary at this stage but if he'd been able to say "to fund XXXX we will use expenditure presently wasted on XXXX"


sails said:
I didn't see all of it, but he seemed to come across very confident and his speech certainly shows he is listening to the concerns of the people. It was quite amusing to see Gillard and Swan with faces like thunderclaps. You could almost see the despicable look in Gillard's eyes as she faced Tony during his speech.
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Ms Gillard's fury at times was quite funny.
 
Julia said:
Agree on both counts. He came across very well, much improved, and the content was overall good, except for the lack of any actual suggestions about how the Coalition would pay for their plans.
Probably not necessary at this stage but if he'd been able to say "to fund XXXX we will use expenditure presently wasted on XXXX"


Ms Gillard's fury at times was quite funny.
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I don't think Abbott will give out too much in the way of detail until closer to an election. Only recently he gave out some coalition policy on welfare, and voila, a few days later labor have a welfare policy that seems like it is the coalition's regurgitated.

I just watched the reply of Abbott's speech on YouTube and it is interesting to see Gillard and Swan whispering together when Abbott spoke a little of some of his policies. I think they are have no idea and need to get what they can from the oppositon...:D

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Logique said:
Not your fault Sails, but I don't believe that is the full transcript. I've read it twice and can't see the reference to the 6 months paid maternity leave, which I plainly heard on the TV last night.
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It is in that article - but called parental leave, so if your searched for maternity, it wouldn't have come up with anything.

We’ll try to shake the cult of youth in hiring by giving employers up to $3250 for taking someone over 50 off welfare and back to work. As well, we’ll give mothers real choice to be economic as well as social contributors with a fair dinkum paid parental leave scheme that gives nearly all new mums six months with their babies at full pay.
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The speech can also be viewed on YouTube in three parts - they should be found on this page:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=abbott+budget+reply
 
Here's an interesting take from former Labor power broker Graham Richardson:

From the Australian: Abbott puts up his dukes

A couple of paragraphs below, however, the whole article is worth a read, imo:

The Opposition Leader read the electorate well. He doesn't care about the niceties of the rules and traditions of the Australian Parliament because he knows the voters don't care either.

The government faces a new Abbott. The man delivering that speech is not the same bloke who almost won the election last year.
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Richardson appears to have summed the situation up pretty well. He seems to have have the gift of reading voter sentiment and is something that this present government appears to be woefully lacking.
 
The Govt could do worse than to listen to Richo.
Ray Hadley is an absolute 'attack dog', so to speak, he hates this Labor Govt. He has a big following out there in what should be core constituency for Labor.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...na-bracket-creep/story-e6frg9if-1226055603510
Terry McCrann, May 14, 2011
...The true story of what has happened is that the Rudd-Gillard governments presided over a massive two-year increase in spending not seen since the Whitlam years in the mid-1970s.

Yes, much of that was deliberate Keynesian pump priming (during the GFC). But crucially, and dammingly, it wasn’t withdrawn when the crisis and necessity passed...

...The fiscal frugality that Swan trumpets, the greatest fiscal consolidation in a lifetime, will leave spending in 2014-15 a staggering 23 per cent higher in real terms than the level he inherited from Costello.
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noco said:
Julia, can you name one politician who has not made a stuff up during their term in office. Just because he makes one mistake, why should he be ostracized for ever and a day? I really don't agree with you that a man or a woman's personality has anything to do with leadership quality. One should not really comment until they prove themselves otherwise.
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It depends on who's making the mistakes (left or right) and at what level the issue.

At least you infer that no one is infallible. I just cannot see what Abbot has ever achieved apart from smug criticism and there seems to be no attempt at all to indicate how the Libs will achieve the budget improvements promised by Labour.
 
Explod, there is no upside for Abbott to give any costings or any indication of policy. In the first intance they are not fully aware of the financial state of the eceonomy.
Labor is in government and has treasury resources at their beck and call to pull apart any costings.
In the second instance all the opposition can do is comment on the achievements of the current government and say how they would differ in their excecution of policy ideas.
Also if Abbott gave out a heap of great ideas to improve things. Gillard would adopt them and say look at what we have done. It would be dumb of Abbott to give Gillard and Swan a leg up out of the hole they have dug.
They are going nowhere fast and even if it goes two more years as Gillard is hoping, it won't get any better because the working class are getting shaf##d. They can't put money into super, they can't access a pension till they are older, their cost of living is going through the roof, their taxes are going to go up and the union is not going to support them in getting a pay rise.
There is no light at the end of the tunnel, the workers will desert them as they have deserted the workers.
 
sptrawler said:
Explod, there is no upside for Abbott to give any costings or any indication of policy. In the first intance they are not fully aware of the financial state of the eceonomy.
Labor is in government and has treasury resources at their beck and call to pull apart any costings.
In the second instance all the opposition can do is comment on the achievements of the current government and say how they would differ in their excecution of policy ideas.
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Then if they are not aware of all on the inside how then can they criticise every move. They would do much better by putting up objective ideas but all we seem to get is dreary blah blah blah on how Julia seems to be.

Of course the press play a big part in this too. Only have to read the unsubstantiated accusations against the current Chief Commissioner in Victoria to witness enourmous damage and trial be media.
 
explod said:
Then if they are not aware of all on the inside how then can they criticise every move. They would do much better by putting up objective ideas but all we seem to get is dreary blah blah blah on how Julia seems to be.

Of course the press play a big part in this too. Only have to read the unsubstantiated accusations against the current Chief Commissioner in Victoria to witness enourmous damage and trial be media.
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Well generally every move has been a disaster, if it hadn't the polls wouldn't be falling for the government.
Why put up ideas for a government in power with no ideas?
I suppose explod, it is a bit like saying why don't you give your ideas to the bloke on the next desk to you, so they can get the next promotion. lol
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Tony Abbott will be our next PM.
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The Bolt Report had a little segment where, during Tony's budget reply speech, there was one member on the front row of the Coalition who had a facial expression consistent with those on the other side of the bench.

At the conclusion of Tony's speech, that member gave Tony a quick congrats and promptly left.

He too, I suspect, thinks Tony Abbott will be our next PM.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Tony Abbott will be our next PM.

It is not a matter of if, but when.

gg
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Bet 10 pots he wont',

Libs may get there but they will have to make that change. There is no doubt he performed badly as an individual at the last election, Rudd's dud ways were there for the taking but Abbott stumbled at every turn. In an election the heat and focus turns up and Abbott will falter again under that pressure, his makeup in my take is just not up to the task.

I would be interested in the next Morgn Poll, (last one 54 Libs and 45 ALP, which away from an election is nothing). In fact polls out from elections are always a bit hit and miss in my view.

:)
 
explod said:
Bet 10 pots he wont',

Libs may get there but they will have to make that change. There is no doubt he performed badly as an individual at the last election, Rudd's dud ways were there for the taking but Abbott stumbled at every turn. In an election the heat and focus turns up and Abbott will falter again under that pressure, his makeup in my take is just not up to the task.

I would be interested in the next Morgn Poll, (last one 54 Libs and 45 ALP, which away from an election is nothing). In fact polls out from elections are always a bit hit and miss in my view.

:)
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Mate, whenever I'm in a what if, politically, I always run the "run over by a bus scenario"

1. Gillard gets run over by a bus.

Shorten gets in, a plus for ALP

2. Abbott gets run over by a bus.

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Abbott will be the next PM, unless he gets run over by a bus.

gg
 
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