Yes prepare for the union ad soundbites on Abbott’s latest gaffe and mix it in with workchoices scare campaign.
Tony Abbott for PM
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Yes prepare for the union ad soundbites on Abbott’s latest gaffe and mix it in with workchoices scare campaign.
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Turnbull is damaged goods due to his position on the ETS but the way Abbott is going it does increasingly become a choice between who is less damaged.
The high road is currently a very lonely place in Australian politics and at the time when good leadership and vision is more critical than ever from an economic perspective.
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Yes you nailed it - I am totally at a loss as to who I will be voting for at the coming election.
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Maybe the answer is to get rid of compulsory voting so that I do not have to live with the fact that I voted for either of these clowns come election time.
Otherwise get rid of the preference system so I can vote for a minotity party without having my vote tainted.
Please, someone resurrect the Australian Democrats so we can 'keep these b*stards honest.
Otherwise get rid of the preference system so I can vote for a minotity party without having my vote tainted.
Please, someone resurrect the Australian Democrats so we can 'keep these b*stards honest.
Julia
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Why would business regard them (Tanner and Smith) as worse than Rudd and Swan, moXJO?
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Tony, Tony, Tony!!
After a very strong performance with his budget reply (which was supported by a lift in the polls), Rudds performance on 7:30Report last week and having almost EVERY MAJOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR talking of Rudd's potential demise - he goes and produces a performance like that!!!
And to top it off - Hockey head to head with Tanner Lindsay is a career public servant and speaks like it. He is an accomplished political performer and knows the buttons to press, so when he's up against a lightweight like Hockey he sounds very impressive.
My final comment would be that a week is a long time in politics. As Christopher Pyne said this morning, "since the last election Rudd has had 47 backflips, Abbott has had 1". Before we get Abbott's headstone organised, lets see how the next couple of weeks play out. I know the media outlets are excited by it at the moment, but if something more juicy takes their interest, they'll drop it like a stone.
Duckman
After a very strong performance with his budget reply (which was supported by a lift in the polls), Rudds performance on 7:30Report last week and having almost EVERY MAJOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR talking of Rudd's potential demise - he goes and produces a performance like that!!!
And to top it off - Hockey head to head with Tanner
Lindsay is a career public servant and speaks like it. He is an accomplished political performer and knows the buttons to press, so when he's up against a lightweight like Hockey he sounds very impressive. My final comment would be that a week is a long time in politics. As Christopher Pyne said this morning, "since the last election Rudd has had 47 backflips, Abbott has had 1". Before we get Abbott's headstone organised, lets see how the next couple of weeks play out. I know the media outlets are excited by it at the moment, but if something more juicy takes their interest, they'll drop it like a stone.
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Tony should get back on the high dive platform and do a reverse backflip without any twists (dump his maternity leave policy and associated company tax increase). He'll cop some flack but he'll have to cope with that.
Even if he belly flops as bad as yesterday evening, he'll be back on the high road.
Even if he belly flops as bad as yesterday evening, he'll be back on the high road.
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Go for reduced wastage and fiscal conservatism. That rules out one contender.
wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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Bingo!
Just as the UK seems to be about to embrace it? To replace it with what? FPTP is deeply flawed and so easy to gerrymander.
Perhaps some form of true proportional representation? Oz could then evolve from a system of dirty deals to a true "representative" system?
Yes, so long as they don't lurch to the socialist left like the last lot of muppets did.
So_Cynical
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He's not electoral'y damaged...just damaged within the right wing of his party, i would think his creditability with the electorate in general is probably the highest of any potential liberal leader....and lets keep in mind Abbots a 1 vote leader.
Ill get in before moXJO...Tanner and Gillard are members of the Labor Left faction, apparently there has never been a Labor PM from the Left faction before...Smith is from the right so prob PM material.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Left_(Australia)
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I still haven't forgiven the Democrats for butchering the GST.
It would have best in it's purest form. IIRC, Howard had to argue hard to get them to agree with raising the income threshold for the top marginal rate of tax from $50000 to $60000 at that time as well.
IFocus
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Gob smacked at Abbott's reply s last night surely the leadership group would have covered a response for the questions as they were always going to come up along with other nasty history.
Maybe the extreme right believe in their divine right to rule and don't have to worry about such things?
Abbott's face at the end was painful to watch.
Maybe the extreme right believe in their divine right to rule and don't have to worry about such things?
Abbott's face at the end was painful to watch.
Tony, Tony, Tony!!
After a very strong performance with his budget reply (which was supported by a lift in the polls), Rudds performance on 7:30Report last week and having almost EVERY MAJOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR talking of Rudd's potential demise - he goes and produces a performance like that!!!
And to top it off - Hockey head to head with Tanner
My final comment would be that a week is a long time in politics. As Christopher Pyne said this morning, "since the last election Rudd has had 47 backflips, Abbott has had 1". Before we get Abbott's headstone organised, lets see how the next couple of weeks play out. I know the media outlets are excited by it at the moment, but if something more juicy takes their interest, they'll drop it like a stone.
Duckman
Yes Duckman I agree.
IMHO Abbott has tried TO portray himself as an honest down to earth politiciatn by admitting his mistakes. It a pity Rudd and his team of gangsters did not take a leaf out of Abbott's book and be honest with people for once in their lives.
Tanner was caught out by a young lady on Q & A last night regarding how the 9-12% increase would be paid. She said "you (Tanner) stated some time back, the increase would affect wages", but last night he denied he said it and lied about it untill she said "Mr.Tanner I have you on my I-Pod, would like to listen to what you said then." So as I say it is a pity Labor politicians wern't honest enough to admit their mistakes instead of capitalizing on the one mistake Abbott has made.
GET OVER YOURSELVES.
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While I agree that Abbott does appear more upfront and honest than King Kev. I'd like to know what the boxers opinion is about the banksters and the diabolical results of their "numbed-to-logic" intangible crap-trading. Go the FINANCIAL CAPITAL!
Question->WHAT CAPITAL???
The parody
They (the ALP & the Liberals) are both in bed with these absolutely blind and continuing failures!! Just My Opinion of course
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You might be right, Noco, and your view was born out by callers to ABC Local Radio this evening, most of whom said they didn't think less of Mr Abbott after last night's interview, feeling that he was simply being straight up about what all politicians do.
I suppose we're so used to spin and double talk (especially with Rudd) that when someone is painfully honest about himself, we find it unacceptable.
Somewhere there has to be a line between Rudd's totally manufactured image and Abbott's exposing of all his most innermost flaws for all to see.
I suppose we're so used to spin and double talk (especially with Rudd) that when someone is painfully honest about himself, we find it unacceptable.
Somewhere there has to be a line between Rudd's totally manufactured image and Abbott's exposing of all his most innermost flaws for all to see.
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Probably right in that he doesn't polarise voters to the same degree that Abbott does. But the polls showed he was not at all popular.
It would have been interesting to see how he polled these days when the government has fallen from grace so badly.
Thanks. I'm quite ignorant about the influence of factions in the Labor Party.
Does that mean no one from the Left could ever be PM? Isn't Julia Gillard from the Left?
Agree. When I arrived in Australia, Keating was in power and I was quite impressed with Cheryl Kernot leading the Democrats. If she hadn't succumbed to the, um, desires of the flesh and flitted off to join Mr Evans and the Labor Party, much may have been different. It was all downhill from there for the Democrats.
No way the Greens are any sort of substitute.
IFocus, I don't really think so. They just seem to be floundering about because of the lack of any real political talent.
Further, would suggest that they have decided Tony Abbott needs to differentiate himself from Rudd as strongly as possible. Therefore, Rudd being all spin, superficiality and insincerity, they've decided Abbott should present himself as Mr Honest, Flaws and All.
So far, if that is indeed what they are attempting, the idea is a pretty ghastly failure.
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Until the boxer goes after the banks he is a complete coward. Just as Rudd is by going after almost the only industry that makes money for the country.
The Banks. BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP YOUR ATM FEES. LOL
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No Julia he is not exposing his innermost flaws.
His innermost flaw is that he doesn't know what it's like to go without.
He doesn't know what it's like to get yourself through a brawl as a child against a mass-observing dumb conservative voting Catholic drunk. Who drinks his wifes' wages and then takes it out on the kids.
I'd fight the man anyday and belt him to where he has never been. Unfortunately he is a federal politician now and he knows best. (subject to certain subjectively based provisos) Religion, aggression, out-of-touchness etc.. That's why the Libs threw him up in the first place. The guy seems normal but hey was Mark Thatcher????
Having said that he will definitely win back more seats for them than ex-Gold man Is Awesome banker Turntable! JMO
IFocus
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To be fair to Abbott he has reclaimed the Right Wing base plus more better than expected.
Problem is he is is not PM material and the shadow front bench has problems.
Here in WA the Libs recycled Barnett to win the un-winnable election with a shadow front bench of complete no hopers I wonder if the back room is thinking the same with Turnbull?
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People have warmed to him because his party has a better economic record and is seen as the answer to the nightmare Australia is in. To label people right wing for simply wanting better life conditions is not cool.