Tony Abbott for PM

[sptrawler]

Oooh looks like the Murdoch press is turning on him:

"Mr Turnbull, who was knifed by Tony Abbott in 2009, is twice as popular as Mr Rudd when it comes to preferred prime minister status and would put

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-new...ll/story-fnho52ip-1226681766827#ixzz2ZRc3Y2go

The polls would have us believe the election is like a game of Knife, scissors, paper.

Labor will crush the coalition, if Rudd leads Labor and Abbott leads the coalition.
However the coaliton will crush Labor if Rudd leads Labor and Turnbull leads the coalition.

Let's just call an election and stop this ridiculous nonsense, is there any wonder newspapers are going down the toilet.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...lcolm-turnbull-voters-say-20130719-2q87x.html

So they are saying the majority of Australians have no opinion on asylum seekers, pink batts, political instabilty. Yeh right.

 

[sydboy007]

So they are saying the majority of Australians have no opinion on asylum seekers, pink batts, political instabilty. Yeh right.

Maybe the inconvenient truth is they don't see everything the right way like you?

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe the inconvenient truth is they don't see everything the right way like you?

Politics isn't a precise science, just beliefs and perceptions, which people accept or reject depending on their circumstances and experiences.

As In the quote I made, that you refered to, I never said wether the issues were right or wrong, just that voters will have an opion.
You are the person casting aspertions, not I.
I've never said I'm right, just my opinion, I doubt there is anyone on the forum who is right.

 

[Intrinsic Value]

The initial burst of enthusiasm for Rudd wont last thru to election day.

When push comes to shove most people will remember that the Labor Party's answer to everything is a tax.

Abbott hardly inspires but if he keeps himself a small target that should be enough to get him over the line.

 

[FxTrader]

Abbott hardly inspires but if he keeps himself a small target that should be enough to get him over the line.

And this has been the case during his entire time as opposition leader. From his awkward stammering speaking style, annoying repetition, sloganeering and political gamesmanship to his Howard-like use of refugees as political fodder. He personifies many of the negative attributes of a professional politician bent on one primary aim, political power. In contrast, Turnbull is frequently worth listening to even when he says something objectionable and he is the only politician in the opposition ranks that would be a credible PM candidate IMO.

 

[sydboy007]

And this has been the case during his entire time as opposition leader. From his awkward stammering speaking style, annoying repetition, sloganeering and political gamesmanship to his Howard-like use of refugees as political fodder. He personifies many of the negative attributes of a professional politician bent on one primary aim, political power. In contrast, Turnbull is frequently worth listening to even when he says something objectionable and he is the only politician in the opposition ranks that would be a credible PM candidate IMO.

I think that's going to be the major issue for TA from now till the election. He's had a good 12-18 months where he's been able to get the electorate to listen to him as if he was already PM, yet didn't do much with the time. He could have presented some good policy and spent that time showing what he would do if elected.

Now Rudd has, like it or not, gave the ALP back the power of incumbency and I'd say TA is going to have to work a lot harder than he currently is to get the MSM to take note on what he says.

Whoever can give the electorate the best narrative for the future is going to win the election. Without some good policy on the table I don't see how Tony can do it. If he doesn't start within the next couple of weeks I think it's game over for him unless Rudd stumbles, but Rudd knows his way around winning an election so I'd say Tony has more chance of the major stuff up than Rudd.

 

[moXJO]

I still find Abbotts parental leave stupid and hard to vote for. Libs have been doing a lot of small business planning behind the scenes and it is the only thing I'd be waiting on. Rudd just seems to be all mouth again on the issue.

 

[FxTrader]

Does this really surprise anyone here?

"Former Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull is still strongly preferred as Liberal Party Leader (51%, up 4%) well ahead of current Opposition Leader Tony Abbott (16%, down 2%) and Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey (14%, down 5%). All three candidates are well ahead of Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop (7%, up 1%)."

and

"It is worth noting that Turnbull’s lead over Abbott as preferred Liberal Party Leader (51% cf. 16%) is substantially greater than the lead Rudd had over Gillard (33% cf. 14%) before winning the Labor Leadership back in late June."

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/preferred-pm-july-18-2013-201307180510?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morgan+Poll+20130718&utm_content=Morgan+Poll+20130718+CID_a84d9f80f2e8a46f6f5d5ff170ae4f5e&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=New%20Prime%20Minister%20Kevin%20Rudd%2042%20clearly%20preferred%20ALP%20Leader%20%20Malcolm%20Turnbull%2051%20clearly%20favoured%20Liberal%20Leader

 

[boofhead]

I strongly doubt anyone in the Coalition would make a move on TA for MT. TA seems more liberal aligned than MT and the party has made a lot of noise about the Rudd to Gillard to Rudd leadership changes.

 

[sails]

Does this really surprise anyone here?

"Former Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull is still strongly preferred as Liberal Party Leader (51%, up 4%) well ahead of current Opposition Leader Tony Abbott (16%, down 2%) and Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey (14%, down 5%). All three candidates are well ahead of Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop (7%, up 1%)."

and

"It is worth noting that Turnbull’s lead over Abbott as preferred Liberal Party Leader (51% cf. 16%) is substantially greater than the lead Rudd had over Gillard (33% cf. 14%) before winning the Labor Leadership back in late June."

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/preferred-pm-july-18-2013-201307180510?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morgan+Poll+20130718&utm_content=Morgan+Poll+20130718+CID_a84d9f80f2e8a46f6f5d5ff170ae4f5e&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=New%20Prime%20Minister%20Kevin%20Rudd%2042%20clearly%20preferred%20ALP%20Leader%20%20Malcolm%20Turnbull%2051%20clearly%20favoured%20Liberal%20Leader

I think you will find its predominantly labor voters who are affecting Turnbull's high score and they are unlikely to ever vote for to libs. Will post a link later...

 

[sydboy007]

I think you will find its predominantly labor voters who are affecting Turnbull's high score and they are unlikely to ever vote for to libs. Will post a link later...

IF MY was coalition leader, provided a lot more info on the assumptions behind his FTTN costings (and i thought they stack up) I would be tempted to vote for him. He's a centrist far more than Tony and the ones who put him in as leader.

 

[IFocus]

And this has been the case during his entire time as opposition leader. From his awkward stammering speaking style, annoying repetition, sloganeering and political gamesmanship to his Howard-like use of refugees as political fodder. He personifies many of the negative attributes of a professional politician bent on one primary aim, political power. In contrast, Turnbull is frequently worth listening to even when he says something objectionable and he is the only politician in the opposition ranks that would be a credible PM candidate IMO.

There is no doubt Turnbull would win an election against Rudd provided he had good minders and he listen to them.

The moment Turnbull became leader Australia would stop listening to Rudd just like Australia stop listening to Abbott once Rudd got up.

Abbott really has a contest on his hands if Rudd maintains moment Abbott is gone.

The announcement today from Rudd re asylum seekers shows how absolutely ruthless Rudd will be about re-election.

 

[noco]

And this has been the case during his entire time as opposition leader. From his awkward stammering speaking style, annoying repetition, sloganeering and political gamesmanship to his Howard-like use of refugees as political fodder. He personifies many of the negative attributes of a professional politician bent on one primary aim, political power. In contrast, Turnbull is frequently worth listening to even when he says something objectionable and he is the only politician in the opposition ranks that would be a credible PM candidate IMO.

So do you consider changing to Turnbull at this late stage would be a good move?

 

[Zedd]

I think you will find its predominantly labor voters who are affecting Turnbull's high score and they are unlikely to ever vote for to libs. Will post a link later...

Kind of agree in that I think there's a lot of non-Liberal supporters affecting the polls, but not just Labour supporters per se. I think if Turnbull was leader there'd be a huge move by swing-voters and minor parties, in the same way that Rudd is getting those non-Labour votes now as a non-Tony vote, rather than a pro-Rudd/Labour vote.

 

[sydboy007]

Joe Hockey seems to have forgotten his age of entitlement speech.

The coalition seems to think it's just too much work to justify vehicle expense claims.

Tony is going to oppose the change.

One has to wonder what hard decisions they will take if elected. Tony spends most of his time out on the hustings telling everyone what they want to hear.

 

[wayneL]

Joe Hockey seems to have forgotten his age of entitlement speech.

The coalition seems to think it's just too much work to justify vehicle expense claims.

Tony is going to oppose the change.

One has to wonder what hard decisions they will take if elected. Tony spends most of his time out on the hustings telling everyone what they want to hear.

Bloody hell SB. That's how you get elected in Australia FFS. WTF do you think your Fabian socialist mates in the Labor Party are doing? Same thing.

Sheeeezus!!!!!!!

 

[Calliope]

I think if Turnbull was leader there'd be a huge move by swing-voters and minor parties,

Yes, he is very popular with the Greens and the Gays in his electorate, Wentworth.

 

[sptrawler]

I think if Turnbull was leader there'd be a huge move by swing-voters and minor parties, in the same way that Rudd is getting those non-Labour votes now as a non-Tony vote, rather than a pro-Rudd/Labour vote.

Or maybe the Coalition could take a leaf out of Labors book and parachute someone in.
Maybe Bill Clinton, that would turn some heads.

 

[sails]

I think you will find its predominantly labor voters who are affecting Turnbull's high score and they are unlikely to ever vote for to libs. Will post a link later...

Here is the link - poll was three weeks ago:

Of the Labor voters polled, 80 per cent – an increase of six points since March – backed Mr Turnbull as Liberal leader while 14 per cent preferred Tony Abbott.

Among Coalition voters, Mr Turnbull’s support rose three points to 48 per cent while Mr Abbott’s slipped two points to 50 per cent. They are tied as preferred leader among Coalition voters.

Surely what labor voters think shouldn't be added in? They are not likely to ever vote for the coalition...

Read more:
http://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/will-rudds-rise-trigger-a-coalition-leadership-spill/

 

[sptrawler]

Actually, the situation lends itself for Tony to take a leaf out of Kevs book and say me too.

He could say we will honour the PNG agreement, we will get rid of the carbon tax and you know unlike Labor, we will back it up.
Unlike Labor who have proved they change their position on a whim. We will stand by our word.