The West has lost its freedom of speech

Value Collector · 13 August 2016

Tink said:
This country was not built on offence.

Yes, yes Tink, we all know you think times were better when women knew their place, and you could slap you secretary on the ass and she wouldn't say anything, and you could call a chink a chink and a N####r a N####r and no one would bat an eye, a time when gays stayed in the closet for fear of abuse, a time when every one that takes offence to you just kept their mouth shut because they knew their place, but still society tip tied around your feeling and made sure not to offend your God.

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I have asked it before and you always ignore the question, but I will ask again "what exactly do you want to do or say that you currently feel you can't?"

How is you personal freedom of speech being taken away?

Tink · 13 August 2016

Wow, you portray Australia a great place.
So you run on the leftard mentality that we are racist.
Put up the communist red flag.

I am for freedom of speech and liberty, what this country was founded on.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-...-remove-words-from-discrimination-act/7732176

And who told you that -- your grandmother?
I think listening to the elderly has a lot more information about our history.

So why have we got 'Violence against women' now, if it is suppose to be better?

luutzu · 13 August 2016

Value Collector said:
Yes, yes Tink, we all know you think times were better when women knew their place, and you could slap you secretary on the ass and she wouldn't say anything, and you could call a chink a chink and a N####r a N####r and no one would bat an eye, a time when gays stayed in the closet for fear of abuse, a time when every one that takes offence to you just kept their mouth shut because they knew their place, but still society tip tied around your feeling and made sure not to offend your God.

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I have asked it before and you always ignore the question, but I will ask again "what exactly do you want to do or say that you currently feel you can't?"

How is you personal freedom of speech being taken away?

Dude, it's "Asian a chink"; and "an African American a N.."

luutzu · 13 August 2016

Tink said:
Wow, you portray Australia a great place.
So you run on the leftard mentality that we are racist.
Put up the communist red flag.

I am for freedom of speech and liberty, what this country was founded on.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-...-remove-words-from-discrimination-act/7732176

And who told you that -- your grandmother?
I think listening to the elderly has a lot more information about our history.

So why have we got 'Violence against women' now, if it is suppose to be better?

Racist and genocidal.

Australia was founded on a lot of things, freedom and liberty came a distant 1000th.

That's not to say that Australia or Europeans are any more racist or genocidal than other races... All nation states came about through violence and murder. That's just facts.

Best to see it for what it is and learn to not condone that kind of superiority complexes.

History, genocide, nation-building and colonialism didn't end when color photographies was invented. They're still going on in our digital age.

And it goes on because most of us still belief in the superiority of "our" religion, our culture, our race over other barbarians.

luutzu · 13 August 2016

Tisme said:
Our constitution drew heavily on the American version .....law 3001

So we follow the Yanks some 120 years after their independence?

We've improved on that timeframe though ey. It's only 5 or 10 years before our dear leaders copy their dear leaders.

Though to be fair, Parkes and friends seem to be smarter about following... nowadays ours tend to copy things whether it works out well over there or not.

Value Collector · 14 August 2016

Tink said:
Wow, you portray Australia a great place.
So you run on the leftard mentality that we are racist.
Put up the communist red flag.

I am for freedom of speech and liberty, what this country was founded on.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-...-remove-words-from-discrimination-act/7732176

And who told you that -- your grandmother?
I think listening to the elderly has a lot more information about our history.

So why have we got 'Violence against women' now, if it is suppose to be better?

Australia is a great place, and it was probably a great place back in the day too, if you were an educated, white, English speaking, straight male, now it's great for a broader group.

Was Australia a racist place? I don't know, what year did the aboriginals get to vote?

Yes, you are for freedom of speech, unless the person is talking about a topic you don't agree with.

I do talk to my grandmother almost every week, and yes she is pretty racist, and so are a lot of her peers, she's a great person, but will just make random racist comments about how she doesn't like there being so many Asians etc,

We probably have less violence against women now, it's just not taboo to talk about it any more.

But anyway, your religious text condones violence against women, so what's your problem.

Tink · 15 August 2016

David Leyonhjelm: NSW Senator lodges complaint over journalist’s claim he is an ‘angry white male’

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/7b647988a3c24751010275e1d273eb89

A FEDERAL politician has lodged a formal complaint before the Human Rights Commission under race hate laws for being publicly abused as an “angry white male”.

In the first complaint of its kind for the HRC under the controversial section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, NSW Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm has taken action against a journalist for what he claimed were remarks insulting to white men.

Under Section 18C, it is unlawful to commit an act which would reasonably offend or insult someone because of their race, colour, national or *ethnic origin.

The Daily Telegraph has learned the complaint was submitted last week following an article published by Fairfax media in which Mr Leyonhjelm was described as “boorish and gormless as a result of being an angry white male’’.

The article was critical of the senator for his purist views on free speech and his campaign to repeal Section 18C.

Mr Leyonhjelm is using the provisions he wants to abolish to launch the action in a bid to prove what he said was the absurdity of the law.

He said the case would be a test for the HRC and comes as pressure begins to build again inside the government to re-examine repealing the law due to concerns it stifles free speech.

qldfrog · 15 August 2016

Tink said:
David Leyonhjelm: NSW Senator lodges complaint over journalist’s claim he is an ‘angry white male’
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The Daily Telegraph has learned the complaint was submitted last week following an article published by Fairfax media in which Mr Leyonhjelm was described as “boorish and gormless as a result of being an angry white male’’.

The article was critical of the senator for his purist views on free speech and his campaign to repeal Section 18C.

Mr Leyonhjelm is using the provisions he wants to abolish to launch the action in a bid to prove what he said was the absurdity of the law.

He said the case would be a test for the HRC and comes as pressure begins to build again inside the government to re-examine repealing the law due to concerns it stifles free speech.
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Nice one in my opinion

Tisme · 15 August 2016

Value Collector said:
Are all Muslims extremists,..... No.

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From my viewpoint I think it's a mistake to equate Christian Lite to Muslim Lite.

Muslims seem quite resigned to the wrath of God delivered by the hand of man, almost satisfied on occasions? Of course that is how people behave when they have been enslaved in a relentlessly moribund society......

......perhaps Islam is the perdition where sinful Christians go after they died if they haven't repented, the female Muslim getting the worst end of the stick ?

Value Collector · 15 August 2016

Tisme said:
From my viewpoint I think it's a mistake to equate Christian Lite to Muslim Lite.

Muslims seem quite resigned to the wrath of God delivered by the hand of man, almost satisfied on occasions?

As do some Christians, I wouldn't call them muslim lite though, muslim lite would be the ones that don't really take it to seriously some are even just "Cultural Muslims" Muslims are a lot closer to jews in that regard, where you can have a person describe them selves as an "Atheist Jew", they don't really believe much of the god stuff, but live as a Jew and their jewish culture is important to them.

I actually personally know a muslim who considers himself an atheist, but still follows Halal diet etc, and part takes in Ramadan. Its weird, but just because some one describes them selves as muslim doesn't mean they cheer on ISIS.

SirRumpole · 15 August 2016

Value Collector said:
As do some Christians, I wouldn't call them muslim lite though, muslim lite would be the ones that don't really take it to seriously some are even just "Cultural Muslims" Muslims are a lot closer to jews in that regard, where you can have a person describe them selves as an "Atheist Jew", they don't really believe much of the god stuff, but live as a Jew and their jewish culture is important to them.

I actually personally know a muslim who considers himself an atheist, but still follows Halal diet etc, and part takes in Ramadan. Its weird, but just because some one describes them selves as muslim doesn't mean they cheer on ISIS.

I agree, I think a lot of so called religious people aren't religious at all but fear isolation from family and friends and so go along with the religious stuff for the sake of appearances and family harmony.

Religion is mainly inherited. There wouldn't be all that many who have been brought up in non religious environments and willingly converted later, although Yusuf Islam is an exception.

McLovin · 15 August 2016

Tink said:
David Leyonhjelm: NSW Senator lodges complaint over journalist’s claim he is an ‘angry white male’

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/7b647988a3c24751010275e1d273eb89

A FEDERAL politician has lodged a formal complaint before the Human Rights Commission under race hate laws for being publicly abused as an “angry white male”.

In the first complaint of its kind for the HRC under the controversial section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, NSW Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm has taken action against a journalist for what he claimed were remarks insulting to white men.

Under Section 18C, it is unlawful to commit an act which would reasonably offend or insult someone because of their race, colour, national or *ethnic origin.

The Daily Telegraph has learned the complaint was submitted last week following an article published by Fairfax media in which Mr Leyonhjelm was described as “boorish and gormless as a result of being an angry white male’’.

The article was critical of the senator for his purist views on free speech and his campaign to repeal Section 18C.

Mr Leyonhjelm is using the provisions he wants to abolish to launch the action in a bid to prove what he said was the absurdity of the law.

He said the case would be a test for the HRC and comes as pressure begins to build again inside the government to re-examine repealing the law due to concerns it stifles free speech.

He's not offended, so if he wins it's proof that he's not a reasonable person. Not that you need a court judgement to prove that.

wayneL · 15 August 2016

McLovin said:
He's not offended, so if he wins it's proof that he's not a reasonable person. Not that you need a court judgement to prove that.

I disagree.

It is a reasonable point and a reasonable way to make that point, in the face of an unreasonacle statute, enforced with unreasonable bias.

McLovin · 15 August 2016

wayneL said:
I disagree.

It is a reasonable point and a reasonable way to make that point, in the face of an unreasonacle statute, enforced with unreasonable bias.

He has said he's not offended. The case law to date has applied the reasonable person test. If he's not offended, but he wins the case then the conclusion is he's not a reasonable person.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all had a cushy government job that gave us plenty of free time for a bit of vexatious litigation.

Tisme · 15 August 2016

luutzu said:
Dude, it's "Asian a chink"; and "an African American a N.."

I thought the Chinese were the chinks? I think North Viet were chinkonese originally too (took their bat and ball and migrated from some coastal place in China) ? The name came from the British Empire borrowing the cheen-ke name the Indians use for the Chinese ...

Tisme · 15 August 2016

Value Collector said:
As do some Christians, I wouldn't call them muslim lite though, muslim lite would be the ones that don't really take it to seriously some are even just "Cultural Muslims" Muslims are a lot closer to jews in that regard, where you can have a person describe them selves as an "Atheist Jew", they don't really believe much of the god stuff, but live as a Jew and their jewish culture is important to them.

I actually personally know a muslim who considers himself an atheist, but still follows Halal diet etc, and part takes in Ramadan. Its weird, but just because some one describes them selves as muslim doesn't mean they cheer on ISIS.

Yeah I have a mate who fesses up to being Muslim ..... drinks, swears, eats ham and cheese toasties, celebrates Xmas, not sure if he fasts or not, but he's a good fella apart from those undesirable habits.

Tisme · 15 August 2016

McLovin said:
He's not offended, so if he wins it's proof that he's not a reasonable person. Not that you need a court judgement to prove that.

any publicity is ........

luutzu · 15 August 2016

Tisme said:
I thought the Chinese were the chinks? I think North Viet were chinkonese originally too (took their bat and ball and migrated from some coastal place in China) ? The name came from the British Empire borrowing the cheen-ke name the Indians use for the Chinese ...

They all look the same don't they?

Kinda like calling all White people White people. Some better-bred Whiteys might take offence being grouped in with the French and English, but ah well,

Don't know what "history" you're reading there, but we Viets came about when the Dragon King met the Phoenix angel, made love (somehow), laid 100 eggs - the eggs were 50 awesome dragon prince and 50 phoenix princesses... and they either married each other or married some mortals.

As to the Chinese connection... I think some Chi'n or Han general was on the southern frontiers when China has one of its change of mandate and the dude decided it's safer to stay south with the barbarian Viets.

He married into the local chieftain's family, taught them how to civilised other barbarians and savages further south... then just like a disease them sons of dragons and phoenixes spread their wings and stole land and women from the Red River Delta to the Mekong's.

They would have saved more barbarians if it weren't for the 1000 year Chinese takeover and usual civil wars... then of course the French thought to follow that master plan to take over Laos and Cambodia to save them brown folks from themselves.

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I had always thought the slang "chink" came from the (Manchurian) Ching Chinese (ones with pony tails). That or the more "Chi'n" State of the First Emperor - i.e. the people of Chi'n.

luutzu · 15 August 2016

Value Collector said:
As do some Christians, I wouldn't call them muslim lite though, muslim lite would be the ones that don't really take it to seriously some are even just "Cultural Muslims" Muslims are a lot closer to jews in that regard, where you can have a person describe them selves as an "Atheist Jew", they don't really believe much of the god stuff, but live as a Jew and their jewish culture is important to them.

I actually personally know a muslim who considers himself an atheist, but still follows Halal diet etc, and part takes in Ramadan. Its weird, but just because some one describes them selves as muslim doesn't mean they cheer on ISIS.

I guess it's one of those cultural/traditional practices where we just do things because that's how it was done, not because we've read up on the thing.

I mean, people could just turn up to Church or Mosque because that's what their family have done; eat Halal or Kosher food... without having done their homework and read up on the religious texts and all them history and tradition.

Tink · 16 August 2016

wayneL said:
I disagree.

It is a reasonable point and a reasonable way to make that point, in the face of an unreasonacle statute, enforced with unreasonable bias.

+1

Good on these brave politicians that are standing up for our freedom of speech.

As stated -

Mr Leyonhjelm said he wasn’t personally offended by the article but said under Section 18C he didn’t have to be because the law as it stood meant that the offence be given rather than taken…

The West has lost its freedom of speech

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Have courage, and be kind.

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