The West has lost its freedom of speech

[wayneL]

Are you for real Wayne ? Do you actually believe what you are saying ?

Truly mate stick to accusing Hilary Clinton of being a Stalinist totalitarian and Hannibal Lector a better choice than her as Prez. They have to make more sense and have more integrity than that convoluted nonsense.

I now realise disernment between hyperbole and reason is beyond you... Apologies

 

[qldfrog]

Okay let's analyse this Mr Frog.
bla bla with exchange copy
then
I was not directly insulting basilio at all.

Yes you were, and denying it and digging yourself deeper today remove the excuses I might have found for you.
Quite pathetic IMHO.Talk about infantile
No need to carry on : this is not my battle and i actually like Senator Leyonhielm.Removing your hyperboles are just a click away.

 

[qldfrog]

actually I can not: wayneL is a moderator: the irony!!!

 

[Macquack]

This is possibly the reason that in general, your logic becomes so tortured. In English, my fallacious friend, words are used and ordered to convey precise meanings.

Take a leaf out of luutzu's book who does not need a fu*king thesaurus to project his genuine heart felt beliefs.

 

[SirRumpole]

actually I can not: wayneL is a moderator: the irony!!!

Well, I am surprised !

Moderators are supposed to calm people down not inflame the discussions. A bit of a conflict of interest perhaps ?

 

[cynic]

Yes you were, and denying it and digging yourself deeper today remove the excuses I might have found for you.
Quite pathetic IMHO.Talk about infantile
No need to carry on : this is not my battle and i actually like Senator Leyonhielm.Removing your hyperboles are just a click away.

Well, this thread is on the topic of freedom of speech, so I must respect the right of others to express their views freely.

At the same time I shall be expressing mine.

The rationale, wayneL offered, is consistent (and virtually identical) with what I perceived upon my first reading of the post in question!

Those genuinely struggling to recognise the veracity of the afore referenced rationale, have my sympathy. Others will, of course, be thoroughly entitled to my utmost contempt.

So what's your excuse?

Unwilling or unable?

Are you truly deserving of sympathy, or of contempt?

Or have I already graduated to your ignore list?

 

[wayneL]

I have made my point clearly enough.

I take away two observations and some resolutions.

1/ You cannot reason with people that have been infected with the hypersensitivity virus that causes them to become offended by trifles, especially ideological ones.

2/ Apparently it is offensive to extend your vocabulary beyond the 250 words of an illiterate bogun.

I will continue to express my right of free speech, as all have done here.

As ever, I will choose whether to become offended and suggest you guys do the same. It's just a debate on the Internet after all.

Have a great day

 

[qldfrog]

cynic, you/wayneL can turn it as you want the use of
"
Consider the difference netween these two statements:

1/-Climate fantastists are loons

2/ basilio is a loon.
"
was purposely done as an attack using a name: you can say #1 wo issue from me, the fact of typing #2 and then digging in is pretty sad in my opinion,
Of course, was just an example, etc feel free to celebrate that freedom if you want.
Some people have moronic attitude, but i will never say that xxx is a moron on this forum,
even if we all know how i could fill the xxx with names, even to stress a point or an hypothetic case; just common decency the way i have been raised.
Would you say it face to face to someone? if not: do not write it, or use hyperbole/wits if so you wish
Nothing about freedom of speech for me, more politeness/decency/intelligence of discussion.
Can you take that step back?
If you fight your own side that way, the PC brigade does not need extra support, you do the job for them.
Hopefully won't have to add you to my ignore list which is extremely short i would add

 

[wayneL]

It was not an attack Mr Frog, the statements were clearly hypothetical as has been stressed many times now. But it was intentionally pointed.

Some years ago on this forum, someone used the very same strategy on me to make me see a hypocrisy.

I chose not to be offended and took the point in the spirit intended.

I ask that you choose to see the point, rather than choosing to take offense.

 

[cynic]

cynic, you/wayneL can turn it as you want the use of
"
Consider the difference netween these two statements:

1/-Climate fantastists are loons

2/ basilio is a loon.
"
was purposely done as an attack using a name: you can say #1 wo issue from me, the fact of typing #2 and then digging in is pretty sad in my opinion,
Of course, was just an example, etc feel free to celebrate that freedom if you want.
Some people have moronic attitude, but i will never say that xxx is a moron on this forum,
even if we all know how i could fill the xxx with names, even to stress a point or an hypothetic case; just common decency the way i have been raised.
Would you say it face to face to someone? if not: do not write it, or use hyperbole/wits if so you wish
Nothing about freedom of speech for me, more politeness/decency/intelligence of discussion.
Can you take that step back?
If you fight your own side that way, the PC brigade does not need extra support, you do the job for them.
Hopefully won't have to add you to my ignore list which is extremely short i would add

Thankyou for not placing me on ignore.

I certainly understood (and still do) wayneL's post quite differently from yourself.

You have my sympathy.

 

[basilio]

Are you for real Wayne ? Do you actually believe what you are saying ?

Truly mate stick to accusing Hilary Clinton of being a Stalinist totalitarian and Hannibal Lector a better choice than her as Prez. They have to make more sense and have more integrity than that convoluted nonsense.

Bas

I now realise disernment between hyperbole and reason is beyond you... Apologies

Actually no Wayne. Hyperbole is an exaggeration of a situation beyond what anyone recognizes as actual. ie" I've told you a million time to clean up your room."

Your depicting Hilary Clinton as a Stalinist totalitarian was character assassination. It is designed to make someone look really bad and destroy their relative validity versus an opponent ie Donald Trump.

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I don't know how many people have actually seen The Chaser clip which gave Senatar Leyondom (?) a taste of his own freedom of speech. People can decide for themself if it is funny and in the political context of a politician proclaiming wicked camper vans are fair comment, that criticism of the sentiments on them is just wowersish.
[video]https://youtu.be/o2C8JbvXb2c[/video]

 

[Tink]

Regarding the RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html

They are pushing to remove offend and insult, though some want it gone completely.

 

[wayneL]

Actually no Wayne. Hyperbole is an exaggeration of a situation beyond what anyone recognizes as actual. ie" I've told you a million time to clean up your room."

I'm glad you took the time to look up the dictionary definition of hyberbole bas. Unfortunately you don't seem to have grasped its meaning, because.....

Your depicting Hilary Clinton as a Stalinist totalitarian

...was, quite obviously, "an exaggeration of a situation beyond what anyone recognizes as actual."

Well I hope so anyway.

was character assassination. It is designed to make someone look really bad and destroy their relative validity versus an opponent ie Donald Trump.

If it wasn't so absolutely ludicrous, I would be flattered that you thought I could influence an **American** election from my garret in semi-rural Qld, **Australia**.

...and you should look up the words, irony and hypocrisy, because, like, ummm.... You have a whole thread, "designed to make someone look really bad and destroy their relative validity versus an opponent ie Hillary Clinton".

Thanks for the belly laugh bas, made my day.

 

[moXJO]

Not the right answer wayneL, you clearly went over the line here in my opinion

There was nothing wrong with that statement to illustrate a point. Bas and Wayne have spewed worse in the climate thread.
I found it more offensive that we turned it into something more offensive then it was and then group attacked. I've seen these $hit smearing "I'm outraged" tactics to discredit someone before.

 

[Tisme]

"
Consider the difference netween these two statements:

1/-Climate fantastists are loons

2/ basilio is a loon.
"
was purposely done

Don't you just love how trolling gets the blood flowing.

Personally I don't troll or inflame coz I think it's beneath me.

 

[cynic]

...I don't know how many people have actually seen The Chaser clip which gave Senatar Leyondom (?) a taste of his own freedom of speech. People can decide for themself if it is funny and in the political context of a politician proclaiming wicked camper vans are fair comment, that criticism of the sentiments on them is just wowersish.

I did see that clip and am of the opinion that, on this occasion, your endorsement of it was misguided. There is a definite distinction between that politician's proclamations and the sordidly offensive behaviour of those choosing to grossly distort his message through the application of faulty logic.

In my opinion, a response of some form, alerting yourself and others to an important logical distinction, was most definitely warranted.

 

[basilio]

Wayne at the obvious risk of repeating myself there are no mysteries with you. You are totally crystal clear.

Being able to compare Hilary Clinton (unfavourably !) to Hannibal Lector and a Stalinist totalitarian and then saying "Nah I wasn't trashing them, folks." is so you.

Perhaps you should put your hand up to be Donald Trumps media advisor ? They are certainly looking for someone with your inimitable skills. You can easily do it from your cosy garret. That's what the internet is all about isn't it ? You are clearly wasted on ASF.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne at the obvious risk of repeating myself there are no mysteries with you. You are totally crystal clear.

Being able to compare Hilary Clinton (unfavourably !) to Hannibal Lector and a Stalinist totalitarian and then saying "Nah I wasn't trashing them, folks." is so you.

Perhaps you should put your hand up to be Donald Trumps media advisor ? They are certainly looking for someone with your inimitable skills. You can easily do it from your cosy garret. That's what the internet is all about isn't it ? You are clearly wasted on ASF.

Oh I was trashing her alright basilio, she's poison mate.

You see this is yet another example of where you have completely missed my meaning. Yes I am crystal clear, but because of your inability to clearly comprehend, you miss the actual true clarity of what I say.

It makes sense now, there is consistency in your sociopathic, dystopian ideals. You see things via the Orwellian prism, utterly consistent with your poisonous ideology, even though it is so grotesquely distorted from the original intent.

This is why you sre comfotable with children, as is in 350.org's no pressure video, being collateral damage in the pursuit of the totalitarian dystopia you crave.

It's be an interesting discussion bas, I have learned something.

 

[basilio]

So shall we really start to flame Wayne ? Why not. If it's good for the goose why not the gander.

Yeah you are poisonous. Your capacity to distort and denigrate is pretty much unparalleled on this forum. You particularly remind me of one obnoxious bully back at school whose claim to fame was giving kidney punches to year 7 kids and saying they were love taps. Real special character.

Your the bully in chief on this forum Wayne. Whether it's people whose views you can't abide or politicians you equally despise you trash them with impunity - and then call it "hyperbole" or "exaggeration".

As if no one could possibly take you seriously when you called James Hanson a psychopath or Hilary Clinton worse than Hannibal Lector or rip me to shreds. What rubbish.

I wasn't joking when I said you should be working for Donald Trump. You would make a fine team.

So. Want to keep going and totally trash this forum ?

 

[wayneL]

Well the difference is I deal in observable fact, even if flowered up a bit.

You either are incapable or unwilling to do so (as has been noted).

The other difference is that I would be happy to have a robust debate and laugh in person with you over a beer, despite our ideological differences, but you are consumed by malevolent feelings. You could never being yourself to meet in person.

That's an invitation BTW. I will be in Melbourne in December if you live there?