Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
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That's called a nickname, that's a very different thing.
All it would indicate is that the "bogan" has bad manners. You are trying to read too much into these things. When I went to school I had a friend named Murphy. We used to call him Spud. He wore the appellation as a badge of honour.
Why is it that you think my friend was singled out for the verbal attack?
Because bogans are stupid and don't stop to enquire what religion people are.
That's called a nickname, that's a very different thing.
I find it hard to believe you don't think some people attack religion because of xenophobia
Race is a social construct. There are many more factors to a race than religious servitude. If you travel around UAE you would see there is a definite divide between the Paki Muslims and the Arab Muslims; they themselves see each other as different races.
Yes it was only by chance we didn't call him Mick
"mick noun
an insulting word for an Irish person"
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/...-people-according-to-nationality-or-ethnicity
Like some religions attack other people because of xenophobia ?
what a load of croc!
So if my friend was Indian, and the bogan said "go home curry muncher", is that a racial attack or an honest attack against the eating of spicy foods?
What about calling an islander a coconut?
As stupid as the bogan's statement was I don't think it was racial. If the bogan knew your friend was atheist and said "go home you Turkish ****", that would be racial.
The bogan was attacking an ideology not your friends race.
I agree with Rumpole that you're making an assumption here. If we consider why there is this increasing bad feeling toward Muslims, isn't it because in the terrorist attacks the assailants have clearly referenced their religion? I don't see why you would instead assume that it's their skin colour which, as Rumpole has pointed out, varies across the many disciples of the religion.I think the bogan is probably either racist or xenophobic, or both, It would be the wrong thing to do even if my friend happened to be Muslim, as it happens though he isn't.
I using it as an example of where someone is referencing a religion, but where the motivation is more likely to be tied to xenophobia and racism.
Perhaps a small proportion, but my guess is that it's more a reaction of anger and fear in response to the behaviour which is stated to be on behalf of their prophet.Do you not agree that there is a group out there who protest against Mosques etc, where deep down the real problem they have are not theological, but more of a hatred for multiculturalism or a hatred of things that are not Anglo Australian.
Might be good to just be sure that you're not seeing racism where it is actually something else, often nothing more complicated than ignorance and general life dissatisfaction finding an outlet in stupid rudeness.I am all for speaking out against religion, and I am a patriotic Australian, but I am against xenophobia and racism.
Agree. We have enough real triggers for social unrest: let's not go looking for victimisation and discrimination.what a load of croc!
I've got lots of friends named Mick, some may be Irish, others are definitely not.
Were their parents racist when they christened them? Or am I when I talk to them by name?
In a sports league, we had two Mick Murphy's. To distinguish father from son, the old man was Spud.
Some people are grown up about such things. Most of the time, it's outsiders that concoct such links, looking for possible interpretations that COULD be taken in a negative way. And in their eagerness to do some perceived good, they persuade a minority's minority to claim being offended.
Seems they've got too much spare time on their hands. Get a job and get real!
Perhaps a small proportion, but my guess is that it's more a reaction of anger and fear in response to the behaviour which is stated to be on behalf of their prophet.
Nailed it. Muslims have been living in this country a long time, but it seems that the anti-Muslim feelings have only surfaced when we had radical clerics calling for jihad against the West and the terrorist attacks started.
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I'm a bit tired of the label 'racist' being plastered on anyone who is simply objecting to bad behaviour, or actions which interfere with the capacity of others to live a peaceful life.
Terror is supposed to - and does - inspire fear and anxiety. No matter who does it. Might be hard right extremists. So happens currently it seems to be emanating from Muslims. So hardly surprising that the consequent anger and fear will be directed toward anyone perceived to be 'on that side'.
It's the job of the moderates to de-radicalise their religion and help us fight terrorism.
…… in their midst are those who want the spread of their religion into Western society and are prepared to achieve it by force.
If you would rather not take notice of what I am saying then perhaps the words of Ayatollah Khomeini might be of more interest:
“Those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless”
I think there a many contributing to this forum discussion who know nothing of Islam.
I'm a bit tired of the label 'racist' being plastered on anyone who is simply objecting to bad behaviour, or actions which interfere with the capacity of others to live a peaceful life.
Terror is supposed to - and does - inspire fear and anxiety. No matter who does it. Might be hard right extremists. So happens currently it seems to be emanating from Muslims. So hardly surprising that the consequent anger and fear will be directed toward anyone perceived to be 'on that side'
There is no overriding interpretation of the Koran in the world, it's what individual Muslim clerics want to believe and teach. Some take and extremist view , others a moderate view.
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