The West has lost its freedom of speech

[Bintang]

Maybe we are more civilised than the French. Your example says it all.

I think it is very wrong for you to suggest that the French are less civilised than we are. You are being insulting and derogatory and I am sure that many French people would be offended.

 

[Macquack]

Just saw that Pickering has been warned that a recent cartoon he drew (Sundar just gone) has offended Muslims and he has been offered police protection.

Larry Pickering is a scum bag.

Hello, lets jump on the bandwagon and insult all muslims, you missed the boat you d***head.

In that audio on 4BC Radio, the wanker responds to the following questions:-
Loretta 4BC announcer
"So you have posted something of the prophet Muhammad on you website?"
Pickering
"Absolutely"
Loretta 4BC announcer
"Just describe what was that you posted?"
Pickering
"No, go to the site and have a look yourself."

So the big hero has not got the balls to verbalise what he actually drew.

And the prick gets police protection. Where was the protection for all the people that Pickering fleeced with his underhanded and fraudulent scams?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/larry-pickering--the-conman-stalking-gillard-20120820-24hxi.html
And for Noco
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com...igating-julia-gillard-for-the-awu-fraud-scam/

 

[Bintang]

In that audio on 4BC Radio, the wanker responds to the following questions:-
Loretta 4BC announcer
"So you have posted something of the prophet Muhammad on you website?"
Pickering
"Absolutely"
Loretta 4BC announcer
"Just describe what was that you posted?"
Pickering
"No, go to the site and have a look yourself."

Very good answer. The lazy, dumb journo should have looked at the web-site before starting the interview. She was clearly judging the content without having seen it.

So the big hero has not got the balls to verbalise what he actually drew.

No he just had the balls to publish on his web-site.
Which requires the greater set of balls?

 

[Macquack]

Very good answer. The lazy, dumb journo should have looked at the web-site before starting the interview. She was clearly judging the content without having seen it.

Rubbish, it was radio, not television. Listeners can't see the cartoon, so the radio announcer asked Pickering the question.
BTW, the scum bag goes on to attack the radio announcer for no reason what so ever.

No he just had the balls to publish on his web-site.
Which requires the greater set of balls?

The radio announcer was a woman, so I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Bintang]

Rubbish, it was radio, not television. Listeners can't see the cartoon, so the radio announcer asked Pickering the question.
BTW, the scum bag goes on to attack the radio announcer for no reason what so ever.

The radio announcer was a woman, so I don't know what you are talking about.

In other words you are saying if it had been television they would have shown viewers the cartoon, hell would have frozen over and the sky would have been filled with a flock of flying pigs.

If the dumb, lazy radio journo had bothered to look at the web-site herself she would have been able to describe the contents for her listeners herself.

I didn’t say ‘who’ has the greater balls I said ‘which’ (referring to an action) so I was not referring to the woman. But if I had been referring to her surely the answer is obvious for anyone who knows the rudimentaries of anatomy.

 

[Macquack]

In other words you are saying if it had been television they would have shown viewers the cartoon, hell would have frozen over and the sky would have been filled with a flock of flying pigs.

If the dumb, lazy radio journo had bothered to look at the web-site herself she would have been able to describe the contents for her listeners herself.

I didn’t say ‘who’ has the greater balls I said ‘which’ (referring to an action) so I was not referring to the woman. But if I had been referring to her surely the answer is obvious for anyone who knows the rudimentaries of anatomy.

What do you think they got Pickering on the radio program for?

To ask him the question of what he actually drew in the cartoon.

The radio announcer did not draw the cartoon and there has been conjecture on this forum of what he actually drew.

 

[Bintang]

What do you think they got Pickering on the radio program for?

To ask him the question of what he actually drew in the cartoon.

You sound very authorative about this. Please tell us how you know this to be the reason.

But perhaps they just wanted to know if he had any fear of reprisal for his recent artwork. You have conveniently neglected to mention that part of the interview.

The radio announcer did not draw the cartoon and there has been conjecture on this forum of what he actually drew.

Well all it takes to dispel any conjecture is to type the word ‘pickering’ into Google. Which I did and afterwards I posted the relevant link for those who find this small task too difficult.

 

[Calliope]

The New Age of Intolerance. Disrespect the views of others at your peril.

 

[Julia]

Very interesting. Do you mean the cartoon at this link
Now who will be brave enough to place a copy of it here?
I think no-one, myself included.

Well, "7.30" this evening broadcast several of the cartoons. Shall we wait and see if the sky falls in on the ABC?

Inciting racial hatred is in the same league as defamation, just because you have the right to freedom of speech doesn't mean you can defame people and not have consequences.

+1. I don't understand the seemingly growing desire to ever push the boundaries on how hateful and insulting one person or organisation can be to another. Some of the social media posts just leave me speechless, and now we seem here to be engaged in a discussion about who can be the most nasty and yet not expect retaliation.

As I understand it, Wilders is vociferous against Islam,

As Islam is not a race, but an ideology, why should what he says against Islam come under the Racial Discrimination Act ?

Plenty of people on this board have said words to the same effect. Should we all be arrested ?

The idea of banning Wilders is quite reprehensible. As long as he delineates the discussion to the ideology and not the people practising it, he has every right to say what he wants.

I suppose it's how he expresses himself. He has been allowed to speak in Australia, albeit finding himself confronted with mass protests from the usual objectors.

Isn't that how it's meant to work? He can come here, express his concerns about mass Islamic migration to whomever wants to listen, but also be prepared to expect some fairly vehement objections to what he says.

If Charlie Hebdo had been in Australia, the cartoonists would have been arrested by the State which would have saved the terrorists the trouble of murdering them

As I've already mentioned, "7.30" broadcast some of the cartoons this evening. I'll be a bit surprised if the program fails to go to air tomorrow because they've all been arrested.

Larry Pickering is a scum bag.

Hello, lets jump on the bandwagon and insult all muslims, you missed the boat you d***head.

In that audio on 4BC Radio, the wanker responds to the following questions:-
Loretta 4BC announcer
"So you have posted something of the prophet Muhammad on you website?"
Pickering
"Absolutely]"
Loretta 4BC announcer
"Just describe what was that you posted?"
Pickering
"No, go to the site and have a look yourself."

So the big hero has not got the balls to verbalise what he actually drew.

And the prick gets police protection. Where was the protection for all the people that Pickering fleeced with his underhanded and fraudulent scams?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/larry-pickering--the-conman-stalking-gillard-20120820-24hxi.html
And for Noco
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com...igating-julia-gillard-for-the-awu-fraud-scam/

Macquack, are you not yourself doing just what you're denigrating others for doing with your unpleasant language?

 

[Calliope]

As I've already mentioned, "7.30" broadcast some of the cartoons this evening. I'll be a bit surprised if the program fails to go to air tomorrow because they've all been arrested.

I have already covered this in my post #198 about the media starting to show a little backbone. The State wouldn't dare apply Section I8C in the face of a little media solidarity.

 

[Bintang]

Well, "7.30" this evening broadcast several of the cartoons. Shall we wait and see if the sky falls in on the ABC?

I’m curious to know which cartoons. Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson is quoted by The Australian as saying that “while many of the religiously themed cartoons in Charlie Hebdo would not fall foul of the discrimination act ……. racial stereo-typing of Jews and other ethnic groups would create too many legal issues”

So I suspect the ABC has been fairly selective about what it has shown.

 

[Julia]

I’m curious to know which cartoons. Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson is quoted by The Australian as saying that “while many of the religiously themed cartoons in Charlie Hebdo would not fall foul of the discrimination act ……. racial stereo-typing of Jews and other ethnic groups would create too many legal issues”

So I suspect the ABC has been fairly selective about what it has shown.

Sorry, Bintang. I couldn't describe them now. I'm sure you would be able to see the program segment on the ABC website.
They did put up English language translations, not sure of whether for all of them.
I could take or leave them. Couldn't get excited either way, but that's all very well I suppose when I'm not the target.

 

[Bintang]

I have already covered this in my post #198 about the media starting to show a little backbone. The State wouldn't dare apply Section I8C in the face of a little media solidarity.

I can't imagine anyone will publish Larry Pickering's cartoon though, which by the way I think is highly insulting to pigs.

There are some brilliant comments on the web-site such as this one:

"Larry ol_mate, I have been enjoying your work since I was a W#g, when I became a 'New Bloody Australian', your work was more enjoyable. Now that I am 'An Old Bugger' I can't live without logging on every day. You have problems Larry, if the Jihadist don't get you, the Law under section 18c will. That is unless Abbott somehow finds some guts and repeals this section. I was horrified that Charlie Hebdo magazine cannot be printed in Aus, so much for free country, that I migrated to. Take care old mate and watch your back"

I do realise I am assuming the above to be genuine and I could be wrong. NB: The original post uses the letter 'o' in place of the # symbol.

 

[Value Collector]

Did he really? I’m not aware of that but how about quoting your source and I might take notice?


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Google his name and "Moroccan scum" and you will find multiple sources.

What’s wrong with asking do you want more chinese?

When it is followed by a hateful racist rant about Asians there would be a lot wrong with it, but apart from that basing immigration decisions on race is wrong, we have had the "white Australia policy" before, is that something you find moral?

And what is wrong with asking any of the following:
- Do you want more legal immigration?
- Do you want more illegal immigration (i.e. boat arrivals)?
- Do you want more muslims ?
- Do you want more Iraqis?

These are just questions. If it is wrong to ask them then it is just more resounding proof that we are controlled by political correctness and censorship and without doubt we have lost our freedom of speech – Q.E.D

Asking whether we want move immigration is a valid question, asking if we want to deny certain races immigration is not.

 

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Sorry, Bintang. I couldn't describe them now. I'm sure you would be able to see the program segment on the ABC website.
They did put up English language translations, not sure of whether for all of them.
I could take or leave them. Couldn't get excited either way, but that's all very well I suppose when I'm not the target.

They didn't show Pickering's Halal pig on a pencil spit, but some of the pointier Charlie Hebdo sketches were displayed, including the one with the stereotypical Rabbi.
And to balance, they interviewed a Muslim cleric from Melbourne who pulled the minority card, claiming the right to be offended if the prophet was depicted. He wanted religion be added to gender and race in Australia's muzzling laws.

My response to that argument would be "Grow up and get over it. You can't choose your gender or race. But you can choose your religion, and you can choose whether you want to take offense or not."
No voluntary member of any "minority" is obliged to view images or read opinions unflattering of their chosen Holy Cows. If you want to live in a free country like France or Australia, then leave your hang-ups at the border. Alternatively, stay in another place of your choice where you're not exposed to opinions or images you can't stomach.

Too often in life, something happens and we blame other people for us not being happy or satisfied or fulfilled. So the point is, we all have choices, and we make the choice to accept people or situations or to not accept situations.

Tom Brady

Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything - all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important.

Steve Jobs

 

[Calliope]

I can't imagine anyone will publish Larry Pickering's cartoon though, which by the way I think is highly insulting to pigs.

There are some brilliant comments on the web-site such as this one:

"Larry ol_mate, I have been enjoying your work since I was a W#g, when I became a 'New Bloody Australian', your work was more enjoyable. Now that I am 'An Old Bugger' I can't live without logging on every day. You have problems Larry, if the Jihadist don't get you, the Law under section 18c will. That is unless Abbott somehow finds some guts and repeals this section. I was horrified that Charlie Hebdo magazine cannot be printed in Aus, so much for free country, that I migrated to. Take care old mate and watch your back"

I do realise I am assuming the above to be genuine and I could be wrong. NB: The original post uses the letter 'o' in place of the # symbol.

Nah. Section 18C will not be applied by this government. They haven't got the guts to apply it and they haven't got the guts to repeal it. They got Andrew Bolt under 18C on a trumped up charge, but that was under a Labor government and a Labor appointed Judge. There was no outcry because all the usual suspects hate Bolt because he stands for freedom of expression. But I think the tide is now turning and freedom of expression will get a better run, thanks to Charlie Hebro.

 

[Bintang]

Google his name and "Moroccan scum" and you will find multiple sources.

Alright, so the 'Moroccan scum' remark was made during a subsequent TV interview and in the context that Moroccans are over-represented in the Netherland’s crime statistics. Heck, why should there be any objection to using the word scum to describe criminals. It shouldn’t matter what the colour of their skin is or where they come from. If they are criminals they all deserve to be called scum. Macquack, you have even used the word ‘scum’ yourself in reference to Larry Pickering.

Asking whether we want more immigration is a valid question, asking if we want to deny certain races immigration is not.

I see no reason (other than political correctness) why denying immigration to certain races cannot be a point of discussion. We cannot allow everyone in the world who wants to immigrate to our country to do so. We have to make choices and be selective and in order to do that there has to be a discussion.

 

[luutzu]

Nah. Section 18C will not be applied by this government. They haven't got the guts to apply it and they haven't got the guts to repeal it. They got Andrew Bolt under 18C on a trumped up charge, but that was under a Labor government and a Labor appointed Judge. There was no outcry because all the usual suspects hate Bolt because he stands for freedom of expression. But I think the tide is now turning and freedom of expression will get a better run, thanks to Charlie Hebro.

Shouldn't mistake bullying for courage. Shouldn't mistake hate speech for freedom of expression.

We all could beat up any five year olds, but we don't. Not because of its legality, but because of our own moral judgment.

We all could say whatever comes to mind, but if it insult or hurt others, maybe we shouldn't... and if we have the urge to just to peed them off, the brave thing to do is to check our "facts" else it'd just show our ignorance and idiocy.

Apparently, it's open season on Muslims and Islam. So why is it brave to kick them over just for the heck of it? Never took much to follow the crowd; never took much to not think about the "facts" or never question your beliefs.


You seriously think insulting Islam and picking on Muslims hurt the terrorists? They're terrorist against us because they've "known" and "seen" these hate already - doing more of it will just reinforce those beliefs and strengthen their resolves. So the only ones you're offending and making life difficult for with these rubbish are the innocent Muslims who are with us, who want to help us, who want to live life normally... and because of all these "braveries" will now worry whenever their kids or their spouse leave the house or catch a train or go out with friends.

 

[Value Collector]

I see no reason (other than political correctness) why denying immigration to certain races cannot be a point of discussion.

Ok, perhaps thats something you need to work on.

 

[Bintang]

Ok, perhaps thats something you need to work on.

On the contrary there is no need at all for me to do that for as long as I have a choice in the matter.