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orr said:
You earlier made comment on Indiginoius Australians 'failure to develop the wheel'... Is it to much to ask ? for you to give context to what you ment by that.
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Maybe they just didn't need one I guess.
 
Sean K said:
Maybe they just didn't need one I guess.
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And suffer this because your lack of knowledge i'm actually trying to help.
The anthroplogical reasons are well explained see Jarrod Diamond 'the rise and fall of the third chimpanze' circa 1990.
you may like the fact that the same book pi$$$es off the author of 'Dark Emu' Mr Pascoe
 
orr said:
And suffer this because your lack of knowledge i'm actually trying to help.
The anthroplogical reasons are well explained see Jarrod Diamond 'the rise and fall of the third chimpanze' circa 1990.
you may like the fact that the same book pi$$$es off the author of 'Dark Emu' Mr Pascoe
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Thank you for your assistance. Much appreciated.

I'm not sure if you're supporting the fake Aboriginal Pascoe, or what?
 
Updated wording on The Voice. If they had have included something along the lines that legislation can not be litigated against in the High Court due to The Voice’s recommendations, I’d be more inclined to supporting it. When the first case goes to court it will be a case of I told you so to a lot of skeptics.
 
This is going to be trouble. The Voice will likely have a say on if we go to war or not. Is this in our national interests?

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Professor Craven said the problem with including executive government is it captures the “whole of the decision making of the Commonwealth government” and could potentially impact decision-making on national security, defence and foreign affairs.

“If you get into a situation, for example the voice hasn’t yet made a representation on some important view and the Commonwealth hasn’t told the voice and given it that chance then legally it is entirely practical for someone to take a challenge to court to stop that action until the voice has made a representation.”

“In theory, you could actually challenge the substance of the decision by saying there hasn’t been natural justice or you haven’t taken into account the right considerations. Basically, what executive government does is it judicialises the whole of the voice. It invites the High Court to be active.”
 
Sean K said:
This is going to be trouble. The Voice will likely have a say on if we go to war or not. Is this in our national interests?

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Professor Craven said the problem with including executive government is it captures the “whole of the decision making of the Commonwealth government” and could potentially impact decision-making on national security, defence and foreign affairs.

“If you get into a situation, for example the voice hasn’t yet made a representation on some important view and the Commonwealth hasn’t told the voice and given it that chance then legally it is entirely practical for someone to take a challenge to court to stop that action until the voice has made a representation.”

“In theory, you could actually challenge the substance of the decision by saying there hasn’t been natural justice or you haven’t taken into account the right considerations. Basically, what executive government does is it judicialises the whole of the voice. It invites the High Court to be active.”
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Given that the High Court can take years to hand down a decision we could end up with a Govt that cannot make decisions without the permission of an unelected body representing a small portion of our population.
 
macca said:
Given that the High Court can take years to hand down a decision we could end up with a Govt that cannot make decisions without the permission of an unelected body representing a small portion of our population.
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Exactly, and this is not just likely but very highly probable. And the High Court is well known to be Left leaning.

There's two issues here.

1. The government must seek opinion and listen to The Voice on just about anything. If they do not amend legislation to suit The Voice they will put themselves at risk of disregarding 'First Peoples' needs. What government is going to let that PR disaster happen in our woke World. The government of the day will effectively be held to ransom.

2. If legislation does get through against the will of The Voice (and it's activist lawyers), they will take it to the High Court. This process could take forever. Government will be beholden to The Voice.

This will be a racist and undemocratic blight on our constitution.
 
Sean K said:
Thank you for your assistance. Much appreciated.

I'm not sure if you're supporting the fake Aboriginal Pascoe, or what?
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Bruce had a 'quiere' with regard an assertion by Jarrod... dyor. Maybe even read their books.

But my question to you remains ... why did you trot out the old colonial era ignorant, racist, bigoted trope of the 'aborigonal and the wheel ' in this discussion?
 
orr said:
Bruce had a 'quiere' with regard an assertion by Jarrod... dyor. Maybe even read their books.

But my question to you remains ... why did you trot out the old colonial era ignorant, racist, bigoted trope of the 'aborigonal and the wheel ' in this discussion?
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Bruce, Jarrod, err what? o_O

OK, if I must explain it to you, wheels are useful instruments for transporting things from A to B. Things that are round are generally good for moving things. There's beetles in Africa that even know that. But, as I said, maybe they just didn't need an efficient mode of moving things about. Or, maybe they had a wheel? I'm a bit ignorant.
 
mullokintyre said:
Don't think any voice legislation will provide too many of those things.
They are activists wish lists.
Probably planted in the cafe just so someone would find it and give it to someone gullible enough to believe it, like maybe Pauline Hanson?
mick
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True enough, but the union movement has always operated on principle of outrageous ambit claims and this follows the same MO.

They won't get all of it, but they'll get some of it.
 
From The Australian
On Friday night at one of Australia’s most prestigious media awards ceremonies, former ABC radio broadcaster Jon Faine drew wild applause when he urged a room full of journalists to support the voice to parliament.
Specifically, his critique of “urban white” commentators who oppose the voice was keenly cheered – despite the glaring hypocrisy falling from the lips of the very urban, very white commentator.
The nation must urgently implement both a treaty and a voice to parliament to address the “damage of our colonial past”, Faine declared. “I also don’t understand why … well meaning or maybe malicious commentators, who are not Indigenous, think that their thought bubble should prevail over seven years of national consultation with thousands of Indigenous people in hundreds of communities asking them what they want.
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Ha, ya gotta larf at the Elitism of knowitall journalists.
Too stupid to realise he is one of the "white urban commentators".
But then ABC types have always thought those who don't belong to the ABC are obviously inferior.
Mick
 
Geezus, some of the comments here in 2023 are unbelievable.

Question: is there any thing more Australian than an Aboriginal... think about it.

As for the high court FMD really?
 

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