The Voice

[IFocus]

Yes. Especially if he's been painting himself. Really, that's not a problem? FFS!

Surely you are kidding?

 

[wayneL]

It's only bad if The God Emperor does it.

 

[Sean K]

It's only bad if The God Emperor does it.

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Maybe you get blacker as you get older? Or, was he making himself pasty when he was younger to fit in? That 2016 photo is almost comical. Perhaps it's just the studio lighting?? That photo at the top sort of gives it away though, looks like he's wearing black face. I've got a feeling Thorpe is adding a bit of Bondi Sands to herself as well.

 

[Sean K]

Just for amusement I've done a google on Stan's family background to see who was Aboriginal. As he calls himself a proud Wiradjuri man, I thought this might be important..

I'm not actually sure how to work out what % Wiradjuri he actually is with this information....

No wonder he's doing 'black face.'

Info obtained from various sites but mostly here:

Biography - Stan Grant - Indigenous Australia

ia.anu.edu.au

 

[mullokintyre]

Just for amusement I've done a google on Stan's family background to see who was Aboriginal. As he calls himself a proud Wiradjuri man, I thought this might be important..

I'm not actually sure how to work out what % Wiradjuri he actually is with this information....

No wonder he's doing 'black face.'

Info obtained from various sites but mostly here:

Biography - Stan Grant - Indigenous Australia

ia.anu.edu.au

This shot from ABC Q and A last night shows just how much makeup Stan G seems to be getting these days.
Almost looks Sri Lankan.
Mick

 

[Sean K]

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This shot from ABC Q and A last night shows just how much makeup Stan G seems to be getting these days.
Almost looks Sri Lankan.
Mick

I watched this and was going to post up the youtube of it but thought I might have been piling on a bit too much. But, I have to say, it's getting sort of embarrassing. It's obviously fake tan and way over the top. Someone really needs to tell him. I think I've worked out he's about 25% black which is much more than Thorpe who only comes in at about 6.5%.

Relating this back to The Voice, who is qualified to actually sit on the regional and national voices to parliament? Could Stan be on it coming in at 25% black? I'm sure he thinks he could, even though it's mostly make up. Thorpe at 6.5%? Alex Antic had a fair question in Senate Estimates last week when he raised this and he was called a racist.

 

[macca]

I read that about 60% of aboriginal people are married to a person who is not aboriginal. Over time it would seem that we are going to experience a lessening of the aboriginal genes in our community.

At what point does entitlement to special treatment stop ?

In my family we have someone whose great great grandmother was part Aboriginal, that would mean that they have perhaps 1/64th aboriginal genes.

They have never been discriminated against in any way because no one would know that they are part Aboriginal (unless they are told)

Now, if we consider someone whose appearance makes it very obvious they are of Indian descent or Asian descent is it not more likely that they may be discriminated against.

Are they entitled to support in the same way as Aboriginals?

We need flexibility on this which means we do not need to be altering the constitution, we have a multiplicity of agencies already caring for the Aboriginals.

Fun fact : Did you know that a number of communities have so many "Docs, nurses, dentists, welfare etc" people visit that the community has built a motel to accommodate them ? Naturally they send a bill to the Govt for the accommodation

 

[wayneL]

I read that about 60% of aboriginal people are married to a person who is not aboriginal. Over time it would seem that we are going to experience a lessening of the aboriginal genes in our community.

At what point does entitlement to special treatment stop ?

In my family we have someone whose great great grandmother was part Aboriginal, that would mean that they have perhaps 1/64th aboriginal genes.

They have never been discriminated against in any way because no one would know that they are part Aboriginal (unless they are told)

Now, if we consider someone whose appearance makes it very obvious they are of Indian descent or Asian descent is it not more likely that they may be discriminated against.

Are they entitled to support in the same way as Aboriginals?

We need flexibility on this which means we do not need to be altering the constitution, we have a multiplicity of agencies already caring for the Aboriginals.

Fun fact : Did you know that a number of communities have so many "Docs, nurses, dentists, welfare etc" people visit that the community has built a motel to accommodate them ? Naturally they send a bill to the Govt for the accommodation

One of my favourite client is a woman Irish and Scottish descent and married to a 25% Aboriginal man.

Both have great jobs, work hard and have fun. Although it was obvious once I was told, I had no idea, because it was such a non-issue. It only came up because of clot-shot status... They felt that because of his heritage that may be more susceptible to the China virus (a discussion for another time).

It was the only time it has ever come up before or since... Because who gives a frack. I very much like this couple because they are great people and their racial heritage is the least interesting aspect of them.

And that's how I like it, how I think it should be. Content of character, not colour of skin and all that.

I am 100% sure that that's how they see it as well.

 

[macca]

Interesting exchange between Yes and No

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/single-confronting-photo-divides-nation/news-story/ed31f100f51645c71ed7da488c50b133

Noel Pearson is pro the Voice he said if a No vote then..........

“A whole generation of Indigenous leadership will have failed because we will have advocated a coming together in partnership with government and we would have made an invitation to the Australian people that was repudiated. I don’t think we have anything left after that. It will be up to a new generation to chart a new course because we will have been rejected.”

Warren Mundine (a No advocate) said in reply

In response to Mr Pearson’s comments, Mr Mundine hit back on Twitter, “Owning more than 40 per cent of the country is nothing? Multi-millions $ of income from projects on their country is nothing? Record numbers of Indigenous learning their language and culture is nothing? Record numbers attending university and graduating is nothing?”

To me it highlights the huge differences within the Aboriginal community, one group want to continue treating them as special cases and the other wants them to become part of modern society.

In most books narrated or written by Elders they lament that when they die many of the old songlines will die out as will many local languages

When out in the communities and country towns it is easy to see that the teenagers want modern stuff and the majority are not that interested in the old ways.

Sounds a lot like my grandkids, teenagers want new stuff all the time don't they, Aboriginal kids want the same

 

[orr]

from Don Watsons piece in 'The Monthly' .

" Imagine, for example, if instead of dumb brutality and the ruthless pursuit of self-interest, 19th-century European settlers had tried to reach a sympathetic understanding of the people they were pushing aside. Imagine the lives saved, the culture and languages retained, the knowledge gained, the recognition in the Constitution and the first parliament, a treaty. Imagine the money saved – the “efficiency dividends”.

Thanks for you're effort Don. (and to some others on this tread)

 

[Sean K]

from Don Watsons piece in 'The Monthly' .

" Imagine, for example, if instead of dumb brutality and the ruthless pursuit of self-interest, 19th-century European settlers had tried to reach a sympathetic understanding of the people they were pushing aside. Imagine the lives saved, the culture and languages retained, the knowledge gained, the recognition in the Constitution and the first parliament, a treaty. Imagine the money saved – the “efficiency dividends”.

Thanks for you're effort Don. (and to some others on this tread)

I fully accept that the English could have done better. Much better. But, it's Australia now.

And, imagine, for example, what might have happened if the Spanish had have colonised this continent. Or the French. eeeeeek.

Is 'The Monthly' Left or Right, just as an aside? I'm guessing Leftard.

 

[wayneL]

I fully accept that the English could have done better. Much better. But, it's Australia now.

And, imagine, for example, what might have happened if the Spanish had have colonised this continent. Or the French. eeeeeek.

Is 'The Monthly' Left or Right, just as an aside? I'm guessing Leftard.

We should however acknowledge orr's virtue signalling points here

 

[mullokintyre]

I fully accept that the English could have done better. Much better. But, it's Australia now.

And, imagine, for example, what might have happened if the Spanish had have colonised this continent. Or the French. eeeeeek.

Is 'The Monthly' Left or Right, just as an aside? I'm guessing Leftard.

Well, if someone other than the brits had taken over, the Japanese in WW2 would have had little trouble in taking out Singapore, Borneo, PNG and eventually Australia.
Mick

 

[Sean K]

Well, if someone other than the brits had taken over, the Japanese in WW2 would have had little trouble in taking out Singapore, Borneo, PNG and eventually Australia.
Mick

I'm very surprised the Dutch didn't colonise the top half of Australia at the same time they took Indonesia. Actually, I take that back. Why would they at the time? It's a barren wasteland really. But, they lacked a crystal ball and there were some other things going on for them to worry about. The Brits only made a real effort because they knew they were going to lose America.

 

[macca]

I'm very surprised the Dutch didn't colonise the top half of Australia at the same time they took Indonesia. Actually, I take that back. Why would they at the time? It's a barren wasteland really. But, they lacked a crystal ball and there were some other things going on for them to worry about. The Brits only made a real effort because they knew they were going to lose America.

Just finished reading a book on this, it seems the Dutch were far more interested in Trading not settling.

Also the Dutch mainly had contact with the top end, sandy, wet, crocs and some cranky fellas with good suntans.

Whereas, Cooks survey was of the cooler regions which were far more suitable for settlements, he also found the amazing Sydney Harbour so very easy to moor and create an outpost.

As you say, it was mainly because they had lost America and they needed a new base for this side of the world.

Definitely no chance of still being undeveloped in 2023, France, Spain and Germany were all over the place in the 1800s so zero chance of staying isolated.

 

[sptrawler]

Not really "the Voice", but definitely does show that indigenous heritage is recognised and can already affect people and their lives, so in some ways recognition of native title, is far stronger than the land title.

A neighbour's complaint about Tony's new driveway could cost him prison time and huge fine

A Toodyay landholder has been threatened with nine months' jail and a $20,000 fine for building a creek crossing in an alleged breach of the state's Aboriginal Heritage Act.

www.abc.net.au

A Western Australian man is facing nine months' jail and a $20,000 fine for building a creek crossing on his Toodyay property in an alleged breach of the state's Aboriginal Heritage Act.
Tony Maddox was charged last month following a visit from investigators from the WA Department of Planning, Lands and Heritage who told him his new culvert and driveway were illegal.

If found guilty, Mr Maddox could also lose his licence to sell homes and be forced to close down his business.

It is understood the charges came after a complaint from a neighbour.
Mr Maddox said he was completely blindsided by the charges.

"It's knocked the stuffing out of me," he said.

"I can't believe I'm charged with a criminal offence for [an Act] that I know nothing about. I just find that extraordinary."
The Boyagerring Brook running through Mr Maddox's property is part of the Avon River catchment and is said to have mythological value to the traditional owners of the region.

According to the prosecution's statement of facts, the brook is the home of the Waugul — the rainbow serpent central to Noongar mythology.

It states that any alteration to the Waugul's home could scare it from the water, causing it to dry up and cause harm to the surrounding environment and people.
The waterway passes between Mr Maddox's front gate and his home and is prone to flooding in winter.

He said there had been a crossing at the site even before he moved in nine years ago, but that it was made of gravel instead of concrete.

After several years of winter rainfall washing away the gravel, Mr Maddox decided to hire contractors to install something more permanent.
"We laid a concrete bed right across the top of the bitumen, across the full length of the crossing," he said.

"That's had the effect of giving us an all-weather crossing.

"It doesn't matter how much the creek flows and how much it comes down, there's always the ability to access your house and your sheds."
He also pumped bore water into the creek, removed large amounts of silt, and constructed an artificial lake with a fountain.

The prosecution alleged the site was "significantly altered and damaged" by the works, and said Mr Maddox did not have consent from Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti or the Registrar of Aboriginal Sites.

Mr Maddox made full admissions to the work done during a recorded interview with investigators.

Local traditional owners from the Noongar Kaartdijin Aboriginal Corporation said they did not wish to comment while the matter was before the courts.
Mr Maddox said the outcome could have wideranging implications for landholders all over the state.

"If this goes through it will affect every single farmer in Western Australia," he said.

"Every farmer crosses creeks in their daily activities. There's going to be an awful lot of permission-seeking going on.
"I've got a duty of care to comply with the Act. Why haven't they got a duty of care to tell me the Act exists?"

 

[mullokintyre]

Geez, what a load of mythological crap.
Imagine the outcry some creationist tried to pull the same stunt at a site where a church once stood.
Fancy having to live by guidance from spiritual fakery.
mick

 

[SirRumpole]

Not really "the Voice", but definitely does show that indigenous heritage is recognised and can already affect people and their lives, so in some ways recognition of native title, is far stronger than the land title.

A neighbour's complaint about Tony's new driveway could cost him prison time and huge fine

A Toodyay landholder has been threatened with nine months' jail and a $20,000 fine for building a creek crossing in an alleged breach of the state's Aboriginal Heritage Act.

www.abc.net.au

A Western Australian man is facing nine months' jail and a $20,000 fine for building a creek crossing on his Toodyay property in an alleged breach of the state's Aboriginal Heritage Act.
Tony Maddox was charged last month following a visit from investigators from the WA Department of Planning, Lands and Heritage who told him his new culvert and driveway were illegal.

If found guilty, Mr Maddox could also lose his licence to sell homes and be forced to close down his business.

It is understood the charges came after a complaint from a neighbour.
Mr Maddox said he was completely blindsided by the charges.

"It's knocked the stuffing out of me," he said.

"I can't believe I'm charged with a criminal offence for [an Act] that I know nothing about. I just find that extraordinary."
The Boyagerring Brook running through Mr Maddox's property is part of the Avon River catchment and is said to have mythological value to the traditional owners of the region.

According to the prosecution's statement of facts, the brook is the home of the Waugul — the rainbow serpent central to Noongar mythology.

It states that any alteration to the Waugul's home could scare it from the water, causing it to dry up and cause harm to the surrounding environment and people.
The waterway passes between Mr Maddox's front gate and his home and is prone to flooding in winter.

He said there had been a crossing at the site even before he moved in nine years ago, but that it was made of gravel instead of concrete.

After several years of winter rainfall washing away the gravel, Mr Maddox decided to hire contractors to install something more permanent.
"We laid a concrete bed right across the top of the bitumen, across the full length of the crossing," he said.

"That's had the effect of giving us an all-weather crossing.

"It doesn't matter how much the creek flows and how much it comes down, there's always the ability to access your house and your sheds."
He also pumped bore water into the creek, removed large amounts of silt, and constructed an artificial lake with a fountain.

The prosecution alleged the site was "significantly altered and damaged" by the works, and said Mr Maddox did not have consent from Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti or the Registrar of Aboriginal Sites.

Mr Maddox made full admissions to the work done during a recorded interview with investigators.

Local traditional owners from the Noongar Kaartdijin Aboriginal Corporation said they did not wish to comment while the matter was before the courts.
Mr Maddox said the outcome could have wideranging implications for landholders all over the state.

"If this goes through it will affect every single farmer in Western Australia," he said.

"Every farmer crosses creeks in their daily activities. There's going to be an awful lot of permission-seeking going on.
"I've got a duty of care to comply with the Act. Why haven't they got a duty of care to tell me the Act exists?"

Well, this is what the Voice will be all about.

No development unless they say so, and it will cost $$$ for them to say so.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, this is what the Voice will be all about.

No development unless they say so, and it will cost $$$ for them to say so.

The underlying point is, how much recognition do they want, when they obviously already have legal claim that over rides State land title, as is shown with this claim and the Rio incident,

What is the end game, when obviously as was shown with the Rio cave incident and now this, they already have recognition and a voice.
If they didn't none of this would incur fines and possible jail terms.
If they weren't already recognised as the original owners, they wouldn't have any claim for the compensation, which they obtain from mining companies. If they didn't already have a "voice" none of this would be honored, or enforceable.

Something really doesn't add up IMO.

 

[orr]

I fully accept that the English could have done better. Much better. But, it's Australia now.

And, imagine, for example, what might have happened if the Spanish had have colonised this continent. Or the French. eeeeeek.

Is 'The Monthly' Left or Right, just as an aside? I'm guessing Leftard.

the work was penned by Don Watson in the 'now' ...

You earlier made comment on Indiginoius Australians 'failure to develop the wheel'... Is it to much to ask ? for you to give context to what you ment by that.