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As I'm looking at it, your comment does cut close to the bone but from a different perspective.

What I and I think many have in mind, and I'll use some examples to illustrate including on other subjects:

It used to be the case that the push was to deal with violence and abuse. So things like people being bashed or raped and so on and I think it's fair to say no respectable person would dispute that's something that needs to be prevented.

In recent times however that push has shifted - no longer are we talking about someone being bashed senseless, now the complaint is that someone called them names. Names yes, words, spoken words not a fist or kick in sight.

It used to be that the environmental push was to save places of special significance eg Fraser Island, Franklin River, Kakadu and so on and whilst some disagreed they could at least follow what the argument was about and that there was some basis to it, any disagreement being one of value judgements about priorities. The value of the resource for human use versus the value of the unspoilt natural environment.

That very rapidly escalated to a broad attack on pretty much any development in regional areas apart from the big mines in WA and Qld. It went from saving a few special places to a broad attack on the regions and ended up completely wiping out entire industries and creating regions of sustained economic disadvantage which remain to this day.

It used to be that we sent people to prison for violent crimes, arson, major fraud and things like that.

Today we hear an endless stream of excuses about hard upbringings and so on to justify not sending someone to prison for doing something most agree warrants it. But call someone names or get their gender wrong and it's off to prison you go. Because yeah, we all know calling someone a rude name is more serious than burning the local shops to the ground or killing an elderly person walking down the street. :rolleyes:

It used to be that we had welfare for people who for whatever reason found themselves in trouble. In that context few begrudged the idea that we provide support to help them get back up on their feet or, for those with genuine serious disabilities etc, support them for life. In a civilised society that seems like the right thing to do and, crucial point, there aren't many such people so the cost per worker is minimal. It's a nice reassurance for everyone knowing it's there should you ever need it.

Today we've come to a point where there's a government handout to replace a light bulb and I mean that literally, in some states that is indeed the case. It seems pretty much everyone's getting money for something - meanwhile a diminishing portion of the population is paying tax to fund it all.

And so on.

In principle I agree with the idea that we have welfare for those in genuine need, that we conserve places of genuine high value, that violence is unacceptable and so on. No disagreement there whatsoever.

But it's all gone way too far. The masses are suffering, to the point that even just buying their own home is increasingly out of reach, meanwhile the elites prattle on that someone was offended by words, that there's something spoiling their view and so on.

Those outside the inner suburban media, political, academic, management and activist bubble have simply had enough. This day was always going to come, that sentiment has been rising for many years now, and it's not about Aboriginals. They're just the ones caught in the crossfire.

That's not really about First World versus Third World. In the First World, being able to have a roof over your head is generally taken for granted after all, that it's no longer a given has been the tipping point. Aboriginals might be doing it tough but they're not the only ones.

Assuming a genuine desire for improved circumstances, there really shouldn't be a conflict between Aboriginal people and mainstream Australia. They're not the problem and there's a lot in common there if we think about it. Both want a roof over their heads and neither has been at all well served by a city-centric political system that, apart from Kevin Rudd's relatively brief time as PM, has had the country run by a PM from Sydney or Melbourne constantly for more than 40 years now.

Hawke, Keating, Howard, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison and Albanese have one thing in common. They're all from Sydney or Melbourne electorates. That's a big part of the problem, that since federation we've had just one PM from each of WA and Tas, none from SA or NT, and even Queensland hasn't produced many in recent times, Rudd being the only one since the 1940's and his total time as PM was less than 3 years.

The whole system's far too centred on the big two cities and that explains an awful lot..... :2twocents

Smurf appreciate the conversation but it's over Australia have voted a resounding No against involving Aboriginals to progress improvement involving Federal Government policy which was a request from them, in regards to solutions I think it will be the same old same old.

Meanwhile the war gets worse

 
Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says it's time for Australians to focus on the marginalized communities in her address to the country after the 'No' vote in the Voice referendum.
'The gap doesn't exist between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. It exists between our most marginalized - that we know whose first language isn't English, who live in remote communities - and the rest of Australia,' said Price.

 
Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says it's time for Australians to focus on the marginalized communities in her address to the country after the 'No' vote in the Voice referendum.
'The gap doesn't exist between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. It exists between our most marginalized - that we know whose first language isn't English, who live in remote communities - and the rest of Australia,' said Price.


That's true, it's most of the educated city dwellers indiginous who can get normal jobs like the rest of Australia that take the most advantage of the help programs.
 
Smurf appreciate the conversation but it's over Australia have voted a resounding No against involving Aboriginals to progress improvement involving Federal Government policy which was a request from them, in regards to solutions I think it will be the same old same old.

Meanwhile the war gets worse

That really is a rusted on, it's my way or the highway view and as I've said endlessly Labor never learn.
Which is a shame, there is never only one answer to an issue.
 
That really is a rusted on, it's my way or the highway view and as I've said endlessly Labor never learn.
Which is a shame, there is never only one answer to an issue.

No idea what you are twisting that from, clearly you must have all the answers if not our next PM will have ask Jacinda :roflmao::roflmao:
 

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Smurf appreciate the conversation but it's over Australia have voted a resounding No against involving Aboriginals to progress improvement involving Federal Government policy which was a request from them, in regards to solutions I think it will be the same old same old.

Meanwhile the war gets worse


No idea what you are twisting that from, clearly you must have all the answers if not our next PM will have ask Jacinda :roflmao::roflmao:
Why wouldn't different options eventuate, or are you saying the voice was the only way forward, therefore everything else is off the table?
Even Albo is winding that one back, because of Jacinta, she has him by the goolies. Lol
 
Why wouldn't different options eventuate, or are you saying the voice was the only way forward, therefore everything else is off the table?
Even Albo is winding that one back, because of Jacinta, she has him by the goolies. Lol

Again you twist my words , carry on you guys have all the answers....not.
 
Again you twist my words , carry on you guys have all the answers....not.

No one person has all the answers. However, there are a few that live and breathe the problem and have a few more correct answers than most. Jacinta has more of a grasp on the Problems and solutions than you.

 
Again you twist my words , carry on you guys have all the answers....not.
Well, has what the indigenous leaders have done in the past worked? I know what's best for my people doesn't cut it anymore and it's just another lame excuse of many. The biggest mistake Australian politicians have made in the past is just throw money at the problem to shut people up.
 
Well, has what the indigenous leaders have done in the past worked? I know what's best for my people doesn't cut it anymore and it's just another lame excuse of many. The biggest mistake Australian politicians have made in the past is just throw money at the problem to shut people up.

Surprised you talk about Warren Mundine like that.
 

Indigenous Queenslanders in ‘double mourning’ as state’s pathway to treaty loses bipartisan support


Indigenous Queenslanders are in “double mourning” after the state’s pathway to treaty lost bipartisan support in the same week that it voted overwhelmingly against the voice, a community leader has said.

The Liberal National party leader, David Crisafulli, voted for the legislation, as did all members of his party. But he changed his mind after 69% of Queenslanders voted no in the referendum.

Crisafulli told media on Wednesday that the party would repeal the legislation if they won next year’s election.
 
As I've said, the referendum wasn't really about Aboriginal people. Some may have thought it was, perhaps even Albanese thought it was a referendum on Aboriginals, but the overwhelming majority of comment I've heard says it was really a referendum on the out of touch elites, to which Australians have said enough is enough.

Have a look at The Age right now and yes this is real:

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What more can I say?

The Left-leaning media and by extension the Left itself just doesn't get it.

Hint: the problem's at the top of the page not the bottom. Nobody was mugged by history, they were mugged by out of control population growth, urban cramming and the media thinking the public's foolish enough to be convinced that even places like Bendigo have a land shortage. An entire page and the only innocent thing on it is a trivial story about a nurse and a doctor.

No, just NO - and that's to urban cramming and forced densification, not Aboriginals.

When the Left stops attacking the ordinary people, whilst trying to convince them to like it, then they'll be listened to once again. In the meantime the people have had enough.

The good news though is I'm very sure the Australian people haven't rejected Aboriginals as such. In the event some leadership emerges, much could be salvaged from this - not the Voice as proposed, that's dead, but the momentum's there for action on real, physical problems if it can be harnessed. :2twocents
 
The good news though is I'm very sure the Australian people haven't rejected Aboriginals as such. In the event some leadership emerges, much could be salvaged from this - not the Voice as proposed, that's dead, but the momentum's there for action on real, physical problems if it can be harnessed.

If the government wanted to listen to indigenous people there is nothing stopping them holding a summit with indigenous leaders and getting ideas from the coalface rather than having ideas filtered through the elites.

Much more efficient that way.
 
At the next federal election will voters remember the MPs that sided with the Yes side in calling them racist & ignorant?

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