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The Voice

Thinking about this today, the decision itself more than the arguments for or against, I think a relevant point is victimhood.

Rather a lot of people could legitimately say they've been a victim of something at some point in their lives. Divorce, burglary, death in the family, having a serious illness, being involved in an accident, serious things like being assaulted, whatever.

Initially a process of grieving is the expected and normal response along with anger and perhaps genuine dismay and not understanding "why me?".

Ultimately though what separates those who succeed from those who fail is getting up and getting on with it. A point comes where grieving moves from being the expected response to the problem to becoming the problem itself if it's still ongoing. Even if you perceive a major injustice has been done and that the decision made was absolutely wrong, it's in your own interests to find a way forward.

Most of us have either been there ourselves or know someone who has, it's a situation most can relate to.

If we look at the specific disadvantage and problems faced by Aboriginal people as raised by Voice advocates, it's a reality that the solution to most of them is in the mind. It's not a physical problem needing to be overcome, it's not a disability or a lack of some specific physical thing, it's a mindset problem with failing to grab the future with both hands and make it work.

Now where the problem with the Voice arises is that the strongest and most visible advocates for it are those who extensively play the victim card, indeed they actively keep Aboriginal people down by keeping them in that victim mindset rather than turning their focus toward the future.

I think deep down that's part of the reason for the No vote prevailing. An underlying thought that the Voice would perpetuate that victim mindset rather than assisting Aboriginal people to thrive in the modern world.
 
And the very reason Jacinta Price has risen from the wreckage of the debate.
Rather than perpetuating and encouraging the victim mentality, she has taken it upon herself to promote a positive mindset for aboriginal people.
As I said after hearing her address the press club, she is destined for great things IMO.
She is exactly what is required, if Australia is to overcome the aboriginal disadvantage issue IMO.
 
From the result of the vote, he has appeased his voter base in Melbourne / Sydney/ Canberra.
That's true but it's also reinforced the view of many, that was an issue repeatedly raised before the last election and thus isn't directly linked to the Voice, that Labor is a party focused on minority groups and the elite residents of the big cities.

They're really going to have to bend over backwards to shake that image before the next election in my view.
 
So true, the voice has just reinforced the issue Labor faces, the people they are attracting are historically Liberal voters, rich inner city dwellers and the voters turning against them are the working class.
The only thing that will hold Labor in office IMO, is an extremely poor opposition led by a person with as much charisma as a door stop.
If that changes Labor is toast, which IMO is unfortunate as I feel Australia needs another term of Labor, to sort out the NDIS and the education system.
The other issue Labor faces is the backlash against mass immigration, which hasn't happened yet, the voice has kept that out of the news, so far.
 
All started in earnest with Hawke reasoning that the unionised working class vote was a given and that being so, appealing to inner city electorates pretty much guaranteed Labor would be elected.

It worked the first time around and it worked the second time but as the list of mines, factories and of course dams in regional areas not built in order to appease "urban greens" as they were known at the time grew, meanwhile union membership shrank along with manufacturing, and then the recession hit, Labor's traditional support base was rapidly eroding.

At this point that transition is basically complete. Look at the last election results and Labor's a city party, it holds very few seats outside the cities, and finds itself in government despite receiving only 32.58% of the primary vote. That situation occurs despite widespread dissatisfaction with the Coalition at the time.

If they're not careful then they'll blow themselves to pieces politically.
 
The main reason for the loss is obvious: it was a flawed proposal, raising grave doubts about constitutional principle and governance practicality. Yet all such warnings were dismissed, almost with contempt.

 

Price isn't talking to Aboriginals', if you believe her BS saying wide Aboriginal support for the No vote when in fact in her own electorate it was clearly the complete opposite at most Aboriginal communities polling booths have shown overwhelming support.

Keep cheering her on she will keep telling you what you like to hear it's like being in the 60's, great politician and Price will need to be living in the vipers nest called the Nationals.
 
Lingiari, the electorate covering Alice Springs and remote areas of the Northern Territory, voted 58% against the voice to 42% in for

 
Where's the breakdown of individual polling booths? I imagine that most of the remote communities would have been coaxed into voting yes by the govt funded 'yes' team. How many of those people would even know how our political system works, let alone who the prime minister is?

 
I find it laughable that people from the Yes side are blaming everyone else but themselves. If they bothered to read a little history, they would have seen that no referendum has won without bipartisan support between the two major parties. The Prime Minister and his advisors thought that the majority of Australian people would vote Yes, without sharing the full outcome of what a Voice would mean. Two heads are better than one, if the PM had had fair and open discussions with the opposition leader there would have been a lot more trust from Australian.

This referendum has been the most divisive issue i have seen in my 36 years of adult life. Every Yes campaigner should be ashamed of themselves for their continuing bad behaviour.

 
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A fair explanation of the Yes campaign.

 
Will Marcia Langton go ahead with her vow to abstain from conducting Welcome to Country ceremonies? I hope so, especially as she gave her word.

 
Most of the complaining Yes side are the hard lefties from what I've seen on other sites but not sure how they can believe their own lies. Behind the excuses, most of them hide their labor vs liberal theme while they ignore the main facts of the actual referendum. I believe the big turning point for the yes vote was the Uluru statement was more than just one page and the indiginous elite calling the rest of Australia racists.
 

NT might have been lopsided because of the size of the military based there. It's about 10% of the pop and they all would have voted No.

Not sure why you're so concerned about these numbers, the national vote killed it in the first place and in a democracy sausage that's all the No side needed.

It's good to see the No side being respectful, mostly. This was nothing to celebrate. It was entirely ill conceived and had no mandate. Albo had a chance to cancel it and save $400m, but went bloody mindedly forward anyway. A bit like General Hague and his tactics during WW1. Dumb.

Shouldn't you be taking a week off to morne?
 
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