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How can the indigenous who vote no be racist against themselves? I don't think they thought that one through.
How can the indigenous who vote no be racist against themselves? I don't think they thought that one through.and the irony and that you are a racist voting NO, whereas by essence the whole YES vote is the exact definition of racism
Personally I don't choose music based on the artists' political views, I separate the art from the artist, but this does cut very close to the bone in terms of the problem with the whole thing.I think my favourite Oils song was Kosciuszko, sung by the drummer.
Bloody hell, if the Finns come out in favour of the Voice, I will have no music left.
One of the most famous bands in living memory despite producing remarkably little music.I'm digging out my sex pistols album because that's about how I feel about things at the moment.
For those people well sure, in a civilised society we ought look after them as best we can and that's a case where discrimination is in my view warranted. It won't hurt the rest of us to reserve simple employment for such people and pay a few $ in tax to make it work.
There's a much broader problem here, a great divide in society both in terms of wealth and mental space, than just the Voice or any other social issue itself.
Lydon is at least as famous for his interviews as his music. And still sticking it the establishment even today. Despite the punk image, the man has many remarkable qualities; I really like him.One of the most famous bands in living memory despite producing remarkably little music.
There's a lesson there somewhere.
Humans respond to incentives. I'm definitely on board with creating opportunities for the disadvantaged, but the incentive must be greater than welfare, the correlary of which is that welfare needs to be disincentived somehow.Yes indeed. The mutual obligation to take advantage of the opportunities is implied. If there is little response from the people these projects are supposed to help then the incentives are worthless, but definitely give them a chance.
Welfare is being disincentived by the fact that Newstart payments haven't been increased for a long time and are now pretty impossible to live on for many people, and the low unemployment rate shows that people are willing to take up jobs when they are available.Humans respond to incentives. I'm definitely on board with creating opportunities for the disadvantaged, but the incentive must be greater than welfare, the correlary of which is that welfare needs to be disincentived somehow.
I realise that's a tough balance make without causing harm, but the carrot is not enough, you do need a stick as well .
Not if you hear anything that Steve Jones has to say.Lydon is at least as famous for his interviews as his music. And still sticking it the establishment even today. Despite the punk image, the man has many remarkable qualities; I really like him.
There is alot that the U Statement people haven't thought through.How can the indigenous who vote no be racist against themselves? I don't think they thought that one through.
I've tried explaining this to yes voters the other day, people with families are living out of their cars and have spent most of their lives working and paying taxes, then you have Labor that spends millions on a referendum. People just see the simple view of it even though it might be different levels of govt responsibility, same with the native land title that blocks public access.Personally I don't choose music based on the artists' political views, I separate the art from the artist, but this does cut very close to the bone in terms of the problem with the whole thing.
Someone with fame, presumably quite a bit of money and whose career's somewhat sheltered from the realities of the world backs the Voice meanwhile those at the opposite end of the spectrum aren't at all keen.
It's the elites versus the working class with the elites just not grasping why others aren't too keen.
That sums up many of the most contentious political debates. The dreams of the rich versus the hard reality of those aspiring not just to put food on the table, but to have a table in the first place and a house to put it in.
At the other end of the scale is victimhood and that a significant number of individuals have somehow ended up in a mental state of hopelessness. Either they lack the motivation to make an effort to succeed or they genuinely believe they cannot do so. This is despite no physical, intellectual or even educational barrier to success. There's no fundamental reason why they cannot succeed, but they've become convinced otherwise. They genuinely believe that the only way for those at the bottom to improve their circumstances is via ongoing welfare.
This being very different to those who do genuinely lack ability (eg intellectually disabled). For those people well sure, in a civilised society we ought look after them as best we can and that's a case where discrimination is in my view warranted. It won't hurt the rest of us to reserve simple employment for such people and pay a few $ in tax to make it work. That's actual "positive discrimination" to assist those who really are disadvantaged and I see no problem with that.
There's a much broader problem here, a great divide in society both in terms of wealth and mental space, than just the Voice or any other social issue itself.
Absolutely.
The young (and I'm not) are being taken to the cleaners by the cashed up older generation pricing them out of the housing market thanks to tax incentives, then if they get a good education they have to pay back HECS which I would say very few of the current politicians would have had to do.
The future of our country is with the young, they need to be given a fair chance of owning their own home and not be burdened by excessive debt or living expenses.
I don't think there is a lot of correlation between wokeness and brokeness.Welp, go woke, go broke. The young are very woke, comparatively.
I don't think there is a lot of correlation between wokeness and brokeness.
Apparently a lot of the business organisations suddenly getting woke and backing the Voice are doing quite well.
The young struggling to find a room to rent are wondering why all the fuss is about aborigines and not them.
Maybe ask the marketing bods at Bud Light, Target USA, Disney, etc.Yep, yep. I sorta enjoy the alliteration of that expression I used, though. Reality is far more nuanced. All big sweeping statements along those lines are gonna be partly wrong and partly right, basically. But also remember there's a difference between "acting woke" when it's the flavour of the month/century, versus actually believing it.
Insincerity vs naivety ? .there's a difference between "acting woke" when it's the flavour of the month/century, versus actually believing it.
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