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The coalition used to, you just have to look at the voting demographic to realise there has been a complete 180 degree change, Labor support base is now the elites and the coalition support base is now the blue collar sector.
It has been happening over the last 3 elections.
Third stage tax cuts, Qantas issues, in W.A, Stokes/McGowan, housing affordability, immigration, the whole political landscape has changed.


Short memory SP "Banking Royal Commission " remember that?

Penalty rates taken from the lowest paid.

Opposition to pay rises etc.

We all know Labor are about to become communist's (through the Voice apparently) its true I read it on ASF :)

Still Labor are center right Coalition right to extreme right.
 
How is it looking after the best interests of the business and shareholders to be taking sides in a highly polarising issue?

It's not like, say, supporting a legitimate charity such as guide dogs or surf life saving or something like disaster relief. Pretty much nobody's going to object to that.

Taking sides in an issue like this however, where's the upside? For every person who's happy about it, there's someone else who's unhappy. :2twocents
Well another way of looking at is, would the shareholders be happy, if the board said "we are going to introduce another board, to oversee us, as we can't actually do the job".
Why wouldn't the shareholders just sack the lot of them?
 
Short memory SP "Banking Royal Commission " remember that?

Penalty rates taken from the lowest paid.

Opposition to pay rises etc.

We all know Labor are about to become communist's (through the Voice apparently) its true I read it on ASF :)

Still Labor are center right Coalition right to extreme right.
You keep rolling out chestnuts, what about the pilots strike and using the military to strike break? cutting out single parent payments at 8 years old, wages accord and the 18% reduction in wages.
Labor are like most politicians, trying to further their position, the difference is now, the working class can network without having their voice stifled by the media.
I thought Albo would be different, it isn't looking that way, at least with the coalition the workers know they are a-holes but they also know the unions are fighting the coalition and not in bed with them.
The gap between the haves and have nots has accelerated and no one is putting the brakes on.
 
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How is it looking after the best interests of the business and shareholders to be taking sides in a highly polarising issue?

It's not like, say, supporting a legitimate charity such as guide dogs or surf life saving or something like disaster relief. Pretty much nobody's going to object to that.

Taking sides in an issue like this however, where's the upside? For every person who's happy about it, there's someone else who's unhappy. :2twocents
It's like Qantas, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours with the current govt in power. Most people have a memory like a goldfish, next year they'll be complaining about something else like house prices or rent.
 
You keep rolling out chestnuts, what about the pilots strike and using the military to strike break? cutting out single parent payments at 8 years old, wages accord and the 18% reduction in wages.
Labor are like most politicians, trying to further their position, the difference is now, the working class can network without having their voice stifled by the media.
I thought Albo would be different, it isn't looking that way, at least with the coalition the workers know they are a-holes but they also know the unions are fighting the coalition and not in bed with them.
The gap between the haves and have nots has accelerated and no one is putting the brakes on.

No worries SP for the workers Coalition good Labor bad you making the case Labor are even further than right wing extremist, I never knew work non choices was so good. :)

Who supported the last fairwork commission hearings and who opposed them?
 
How is it looking after the best interests of the business and shareholders to be taking sides in a highly polarising issue?

It's not like, say, supporting a legitimate charity such as guide dogs or surf life saving or something like disaster relief. Pretty much nobody's going to object to that.

Taking sides in an issue like this however, where's the upside? For every person who's happy about it, there's someone else who's unhappy. :2twocents
@Smurf well put. as long as there are more No's than Yes's then all is good in my world.
 
How is it looking after the best interests of the business and shareholders to be taking sides in a highly polarising issue?

It's not like, say, supporting a legitimate charity such as guide dogs or surf life saving or something like disaster relief. Pretty much nobody's going to object to that.

Taking sides in an issue like this however, where's the upside? For every person who's happy about it, there's someone else who's unhappy. :2twocents

Sorry to be picky Smurf...but

Supporting Aboriginals isn't legitimate
 
Sorry to be picky Smurf...but

Supporting Aboriginals isn't legitimate
It's divisive is my point.

Very few if any would object to a business choosing to support surf life saving, guide dogs, medical research or something that assists victims of crime, disasters or serious illness. There's nothing contentious there, practically nobody's going to oppose it.

On the other hand anything that's partisan political or religious and seen to be taking sides will upset many. Doesn't matter what the issue or which side they take, there'll be plenty on the other side.

That's the issue when it comes to business getting involved in this sort of thing. Same applies to local government stepping into state or federal matters or things like unions spending members' funds on issues having nothing at all to do with the union, its members or their workplaces.

All this raises a much broader issue about democracy and governance of the country. :2twocents
 
It's divisive is my point.

Very few if any would object to a business choosing to support surf life saving, guide dogs, medical research or something that assists victims of crime, disasters or serious illness. There's nothing contentious there, practically nobody's going to oppose it.

On the other hand anything that's partisan political or religious and seen to be taking sides will upset many. Doesn't matter what the issue or which side they take, there'll be plenty on the other side.

That's the issue when it comes to business getting involved in this sort of thing. Same applies to local government stepping into state or federal matters or things like unions spending members' funds on issues having nothing at all to do with the union, its members or their workplaces.

All this raises a much broader issue about democracy and governance of the country. :2twocents


Smurf completely understand your point but supporting Aboriginals shouldn't be divisive or partisan political it should just be a matter the same as supporting surf life saving etc its just about helping people some thing lost in this issue its about people nothing more.
 
Smurf completely understand your point but supporting Aboriginals shouldn't be divisive or partisan political it should just be a matter the same as supporting surf life saving etc its just about helping people some thing lost in this issue its about people nothing more.
A thought I have is that if we consider bubbles, that is financial market bubbles, and extend that concept more broadly then politics has become a rather large one.

All sorts of things that rationally shouldn't be political are now seen through an almost entirely political lens. Aboriginals are just another group caught up in that along with everything from football to power generation to rainbows all of which have become politicised or assigned a political meaning.

What's missing in all this is a statesman. :2twocents
 
No worries SP for the workers Coalition good Labor bad you making the case Labor are even further than right wing extremist, I never knew work non choices was so good. :)

Who supported the last fairwork commission hearings and who opposed them?
Again you misquote me, I never said the coalition were good for workers, I said when the coalition are in they are held to account by the unions and the workers.
You are the one peddling rubbish, by inferring when Labor are in the worker is looked after, the reality is the worker is the tax mule that supports the Governments agenda, both sides use the worker for their own ends.
As I also said at the moment with house prices the gap between the rich and poor is accelerating, It was a big issue with yourself when the last Government was in, Labor went off at Morrison for wanting to bring in 170,000 migrants yet they have brought in triple that.
The difference between myself and yourself is, I'm not welded to one side of politics due to blind faith.
If you are being screws over, it doesn't matter if it is by someone you like, or someone you dislike, the result is the same,
 
@IFocus another way of putting it is, labor tend to run a social agenda, the coalition tend to run a commercial agenda, midde Australia(the worker) pays for both.
The individual politicians in general are there to further themselves, middle Australia goes to work to fullfill their dreams, which is usually to own their house and look forward to a reasonable retirement.
Both Labors agenda and Liberals agenda have an affect on that, Labors by the cost of the social agenda and Liberals by trying to improve productivity to fund it.
That is why middle Australia is swing voters, because they are the meat in the sandwich, they are either getting screwed to suppport more social welfare initiatives, or getting screwed to increase worker productivity to fund it.
Meanwhile their dreams are being forgotten.
 
@Smurf well put. as long as there are more No's than Yes's then all is good in my world.
I think with this stupid Albo that we're going to get reparations and treaty whether the voice gets in or not, nothing wrong with it if it's done right but by looking at the recent land title grabs, it won't be long before people have a gut full of it and take things into their hands. How on earth can you give land back that is wedged in between 2 resorts that have been there for over 30 years and dissuade land use that has roads and walking paths in the middle after all that time? That's the type of vindictive intimidation that happening in Qld.
 
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