The Voice

[wayneL]

@IFocus you miss the point as you have reinforced *my point.

Aboriginal Australians are well capable of success in both the bureaucratic and private enterprise world, without the need for a constitutional voice.

Good on them

I have a client, works at a site out Kal.... earns more than me (and I'm doing pretty good as a one man band). Doesn't play on his ethnicity, just gets on with it, works hard and is doing we. Bloody good in him to.

All those mentioned have closed the gap without the communist voice.

So, thanks for your contribution.

 

[wayneL]

Let's not get het up about it, add up your land assets and investments these days and it's probably over $1 million.

"The new mean wealth of Australian adults is $778,353 (US$496,820), placing us fourth behind Switzerland (first, at US$685,230), the United States (second, at US$551,350), Hong Kong (third, at US$551,190). In terms of median wealth per adult, Australia ranks second behind Belgium, at $386,973 (US$247,450). Median wealth is still down nearly US$10,000 compared to 2021."

Fwiw

 

[wayneL]

 

[JohnDe]

Warren Mundine Net Worth​

Warren is one of the richest Politician from Australia. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Warren Mundine's net worth $5 Million.​

"Thousands of aboriginals who have graduated. They’re doctors and lawyers and accountants and engineers and tradies. They’ve done things at trade schools and that. Plumbers and people like myself fitter and turners and fitter mechanics and so on. So we’ve had this amazing drive forward. So when people say nothing’s been done. I don’t believe that. A lot of things have been done. I look at the Indigenous business program, which the coalition set up when I was a chairman to the Prime Minister Advisory Council for Abbott and Turnbull. 2015 Aboriginal business sector was 6.2 million dollars.​

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Eight years later, it’s 8.7 billion dollars. And this is the way forward. 45,000 jobs had been created. 37% of those jobs are in regional and remote Australia. You look at the mining industry, 7,000 aboriginals work in the mining industry. From skilled workers, tradies right up to engineers and mine supervisors and stuff like that. 2,300 businesses work in the mining industry."​

Free Voices: Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO: What does the Voice really mean for Australia

Chair of Recognise a Better Way, Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO, sits down with the Institute of Public Affairs’ Daniel Wild to discuss the upcoming Voice to Parliament referendum and what it really means for Australia.

ipa.org.au

 

[TimeISmoney]

All those mentioned have closed the gap without the communist voice.

How many more advisory bodies do they need to have a voice? There's something like 28 already.

 

[SirRumpole]

John Farnham is enduring a wave of backlash lending his iconic You’re the Voice hit to the yes campaign for an Indigenous Voice.

Farnham has been branded “a sellout” amid a bitter online debate after the Uluru Dialogue – the organisation dedicated to advancing the Uluru Statement – launched its three-minute ad pairing his anthemic song with transformative moments in Australian history in Melbourne on Sunday.

“Have lost any respect I had for Farnham. Total cop out. This song used to mean a lot to Australians. Now I hate it. Regardless, it won’t sway me. Still voting NO!” wrote one Facebook user.


“It seems like a desperate attempt on his part to remain relevant,” wrote another.

Over on X, the platform previously known as Twitter, was more anger at Farnham, who only a year ago enduring a mammoth operation for mouth cancer.

“Wow, what a complete PR disaster for John Farnham. [Farnham’s former manager] Glenn Wheatley will be turning in his grave,” wrote one user.

Another disgruntled Farnham fan said the 74-year-old singer was “dead to me”.

“How can you sell out the very people you represented? I’ll never listen to your music again – no doubt it’ll be flogged to death over the coming weeks, then never to be heard again,” they wrote.

It was revealed on Sunday that Farnham had given permission for You’re the Voice to be used by the Yes campaign.

“This song changed my life,” he said.

“I can only hope that now it might help, in some small way, to change the lives of our First Nations peoples for the better.”


Farnham’s management confirmed on Monday the singer had gifted his version of You’re the Voice to the Yes movement.

Wheatley’s son Tim, a close friend of Farnham, said Farnham’s team had “fiercely protected this song’s use for decades – I think for this very moment”.

“You’re the Voice is not aligned with any political party. It is aligned with humanity. It’s a song for all Australians. Always has been, always will be,” Wheatley said.

“Win or lose this referendum, this song will for ever remain on the right side of history.”

Farnham isn’t the only rock legend lending his star power and voice to the Yes campaign. Singer-songwriter Paul Kelly wrote and released an original song, If Not Now, last week.

Farnham faces backlash after 'yes' to Indigenous Voice campaign

John Farnham is enduring a wave of backlash lending his iconic You're the Voice hit to the yes campaign for an Indigenous Voice.

thenewdaily.com.au

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[sptrawler]

There are plenty of white people who live in remote places with minimal services, they are disadvantaged, but it is their choice. Some people actually don't need all the materialistic trappings that many of us cherish.
Those who live in remote and very remote aboriginal communities have very little chance of employment, just due to the fact they chose to live in these areas as a cultural life choice, how a voice will bring employment and education to those places and alleviate the disadvantages of living there is beyond the imagination.
Those who chose to live in regional communities, have the opportunity to partake in the workforce and the available educational resources, I know many who have chosen to do so and have done extremely well.
I have known others that chose not to and decide on a life of welfare, drugs and poor life choices, one of my family has chosen that path, does that qualify them to be given special dispensation?
It is just crazy to think more bureaucracy, is going to improve a failing bureaucracy, just replace the existing bureaucracy with those who were going to make up the voice to parliament.
If a committee of representatives known as the voice', is the answer to all the problems, just remove and replace those that are already failing.

 

[IFocus]

So an Aboriginal is ok to have money if conservative is ok if educated uni degree etc if conservative but not if a journalist and intellectual etc.

Farnham actually wants to help who do the No vote want to help or perhaps prefer a bit of virtual signalling like Duttons 2nd referendum etc that does sfa

 

[StockyGuy]

“Win or lose this referendum, this song will for ever remain on the right side of history.”

Lol that quote calls to mind the classic Aussie response: "wank, wank, wank", with the corresponding hand gesture.

 

[JohnDe]

So an Aboriginal is ok to have money if conservative is ok if educated uni degree etc if conservative but not if a journalist and intellectual etc.

"Thousands of aboriginals who have graduated. They’re doctors and lawyers and accountants and engineers and tradies. They’ve done things at trade schools and that. Plumbers and people like myself fitter and turners and fitter mechanics and so on. So we’ve had this amazing drive forward. So when people say nothing’s been done. I don’t believe that. A lot of things have been done. I look at the Indigenous business program, which the coalition set up when I was a chairman to the Prime Minister Advisory Council for Abbott and Turnbull. 2015 Aboriginal business sector was 6.2 million dollars.
Eight years later, it’s 8.7 billion dollars. And this is the way forward. 45,000 jobs had been created. 37% of those jobs are in regional and remote Australia. You look at the mining industry, 7,000 aboriginals work in the mining industry. From skilled workers, tradies right up to engineers and mine supervisors and stuff like that. 2,300 businesses work in the mining industry."

Free Voices: Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO: What does the Voice really mean for Australia​

Chair of Recognise a Better Way, Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO, sits down with the Institute of Public Affairs’ Daniel Wild to discuss the upcoming Voice to Parliament referendum and what it really means for Australia.

ipa.org.au

 

[IFocus]

However, outcomes are getting worse for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in four target areas. Rates of adult imprisonment, children in out-of-home care, and suicide have all increased, and children’s early development outcomes at the start of school have declined.

Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023

The online version of the Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023. To inform reporting on progress under the National Agreement on Closing the Gap.

www.pc.gov.au

 

[JohnDe]

However, outcomes are getting worse for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in four target areas. Rates of adult imprisonment, children in out-of-home care, and suicide have all increased, and children’s early development outcomes at the start of school have declined.

Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023

The online version of the Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023. To inform reporting on progress under the National Agreement on Closing the Gap.

www.pc.gov.au

Progress towards the 15 targets that can be assessed has been limited, with only four on track to be met. Despite this, outcomes are improving for most targets. Of the four targets that are on track, three have had annual improvements close to double what is needed. Moreover, seven of targets that are not on track are nevertheless improving.​

Progress is happening, even though there are those in power that believe alcohol is a given right and education for the young is not compulsory.

Data gaps also prevent progress for four of the 19 socio-economic targets being assessed: ‘community infrastructure’, where no data have been collected, and ‘family violence’, ‘strength of languages’ and ‘access to information’ where no updates are available since the start of the Agreement.​

 

[IFocus]

It was the Coalition that let alcohol restrictions run out....

 

[SirRumpole]

It was the Coalition that let alcohol restrictions run out....

Wasn't it Labor that abolished the cashless welfare card despite protests from Aboriginal communities ?

 

[StockyGuy]

However, outcomes are getting worse for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in four target areas. Rates of adult imprisonment, children in out-of-home care, and suicide have all increased, and children’s early development outcomes at the start of school have declined.

Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023

The online version of the Closing the Gap Annual Data Compilation Report July 2023. To inform reporting on progress under the National Agreement on Closing the Gap.

www.pc.gov.au

I like how you combed thru that funny chart for those four - most areas showed improvement, though.

 

[Smurf1976]

However, outcomes are getting worse for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in four target areas. Rates of adult imprisonment, children in out-of-home care, and suicide have all increased, and children’s early development outcomes at the start of school have declined.

Question is, will the Voice lead to this being resolved?

Talk won't do it.

Money of itself won't do it either.

As an outsider, what I'm seeing is a situation that won't be changed with a bit of tinkering around the edges. It needs something far more drastic to give youth some serious motivation, get them through school and into work, and doing so knowing that ultimately this leads to radical change over the long term.

One concern I have about the Voice is the prospect that it in practice does the opposite, that it seeks to continue the status quo rather than bringing about radical change. Just a perception I have, but there seems to be a lot of clinging to a "traditional way of life" sort of thinking rather than embracing change.

 

[farmerge]

How was it botched, people didn't like it and it was redacted, that isn't botched it is reacting to public opinion.

Funny how the media reacts, when people don't follow the narrative to the letter.

Was always goint to fail Just another money grab by the laziest folk on the planet. I want etc

 

[farmerge]

Not sure.

I find it hard to find a Dan Andrews voter yet they won in a landslide a year ago.

Will be a tough ride for the No campaign

@anca The No's will win this in a canter

 

[farmerge]

I'm 60 years old. Been here longer than a 59 year old person identifying as indigenous.

@anca hit the nail smake bang on the head.

 

[SirRumpole]

but there seems to be a lot of clinging to a "traditional way of life" sort of thinking rather than embracing change.

Yes, it's easy to sound paternalistic, but things don't usually go well for societies that don't adapt well to change..