The Voice

[Sean K]

I just ceremonially burnt my Whispering Jack album.

 

[wayneL]

I just ceremonially burnt my Whispering Jack album.

He is dead to me and all his music ruined forever

 

[IFocus]

Galah,

In response to the quote I posted, that makes no sense whatsoever.

The inference (threat) is clear. Airbus states that government must follow what the Voice tells it to do.

By the way, Holt didn't drown, he was taken by a communist submarine and then sent to an alien planet for dissection.

Sean.

I completely agree about Holt.

The only thing that is clear in politics is power and how it exists and allowed to be exercised at various levels depending on a lot of circumstances what you are saying has never happened in Australian political history ever.

Aboriginals dictating what governments do, didn't get up in WA.

There is no threat the political system ensures that the inference you are making is just not reality.

Of course I don't include the last 10 years of Coalition deception on steroids.

 

[IFocus]

IMO this sums up the problem in Australia ATM, a very small concentrated sphere of influence, over a very large country.

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So are you saying the majority of the population shouldn't have a say?

Are the boundaries wrong?

Electoral commission at fault?

 

[StockyGuy]

I just ceremonially burnt my Whispering Jack album.

Artistic types are generally leftists - but a bangin' tune is still a bangin' tune. In a certain mood I like the big Midnight Oil hits; I can completely ignore the propaganda in much of the lyrics.

 

[JohnDe]

I just ceremonially burnt my Whispering Jack album.

I never liked his music, but I did get a laugh from his TV series Bobby Dazzler. When I was about 12.

 

[sptrawler]

So are you saying the majority of the population shouldn't have a say?

Are the boundaries wrong?

Electoral commission at fault?

No just showing the demographic.
It says whatever you take from it.
A bit like someone who goes around Australia on highway 1 in a 200 series LandCruiser towing a $100k offroad van with ensuite, will have a different perception to someone who crosses through the inland offroad routes in a 75 series and a swag.
It's all about personal perceptions and experiences.
I dont think the majority of the population, that live between Melbourne and Brisbane, have any idea of what goes on in the majority of Australias land mass.

 

[IFocus]

No just showing the demographic.
It says whatever you take from it.
A bit like someone who goes around Australia on highway 1 in a 200 series LandCruiser towing a $100k offroad van with ensuite, will have a different perception to someone who crosses through the inland offroad routes in a 75 series and a swag.
It's all about personal perceptions and experiences.
I dont think the majority of the population, that live between Melbourne and Brisbane, have any idea of what goes on in the majority of Australias land mass.

Agree but I thought you were proposing Aboriginal's should rule Australia.

BTW lots of Landcruiser's with $100k vans plus up the Gibb River Road and beyond good luck to them still not my thing.

 

[basilio]

I always like Annabel Crabbs take/analysis of politics and society. Down to earth, clear and always gives both sides of the argument a fair go. I thought her take on the Voice and in particular the review of what the the 1967 referendum was about was useful.

The campaign for the Voice referendum is off and away. Let's take a closer look at the facts​

By Annabel Crabb
Posted 22h ago22 hours ago, updated 18h ago18 hours ago

There are two cases being made for a Yes vote, and two for the No vote. (AAP: James Ross)
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The campaign for the referendum on the Voice is off and away.

At issue is the inclusion in the constitution of 92 new words, which would recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians as the first peoples of this nation, and install a new advisory body called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.
You can vote Yes, or you can vote No.

You can't have one bit without the other; either you approve all 92 words, or you don't.



Already, however, the public debate around those 92 words has grown like an invasive weed, generating ill-will and dispute over issues that are far removed from the question at hand.

How many pages is the Uluru Statement? Are you sick of having acknowledgements of country "shoved down your throat"? Should Australia Day be changed? Is it racist to vote No?

Confused? You're not stupid​

When people say they're "confused", it's not because they're stupid. It's because there are literally two cases sloshing about for Yes. The first is that the constitutional change is modest and won't do much. The second is that it will be a powerful force for improving the lives of Indigenous Australians.

The referendum is a Yes/No vote on 92 words. All other disputes should be shut out

As the campaign for the Voice referendum begins, it's worth having a look at why this referendum question has become so hopelessly ensnarled in undergrowth. And perhaps doing a spot of weeding, writes Annabel Crabb.

www.abc.net.au

 

[IFocus]

Dutton wants a referendum ignoring Aboriginals doesn't see the irony.

"For politicians to go out and propose something completely alternate to what Indigenous people asked for clearly speaks to our disempowerment as Indigenous people, when others think that they have a better solution and a better way forward."

You can believe him because its their policy

"Despite taking the policy to elections and being in power between 2013 and 2022, the Coalition never held a referendum on Indigenous recognition. "

And he doesn't like the cost of a referendum so he is proposing a 2nd one.

"Some people have said the referendum is an expensive exercise, and yet here we have the opposition leader, proposing to spend the same amount of money on something that would not change lives."

Dutton criticised by 'Liberals for Yes' group over pledge for second Indigenous recognition referendum

A commitment by Liberal Party leader Peter Dutton to hold a second referendum on Indigenous recognition has been rubbished by one of the leading conservative Voice campaigners.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sptrawler]

Agree but I thought you were proposing Aboriginal's should rule Australia.

No, why would I say something as bizarre as that, or are you just throwing ridiculous statements around?
I proposed that an agreed compensation for perceived loss due to colonisation, be negotiated and a condition is that all sides accept that we move forward as one nation, not as two sectors of the same society.

 

[TimeISmoney]

Dutton wants a referendum ignoring Aboriginals doesn't see the irony.

"For politicians to go out and propose something completely alternate to what Indigenous people asked for clearly speaks to our disempowerment as Indigenous people, when others think that they have a better solution and a better way forward."

You can believe him because its their policy

"Despite taking the policy to elections and being in power between 2013 and 2022, the Coalition never held a referendum on Indigenous recognition. "

And he doesn't like the cost of a referendum so he is proposing a 2nd one.

"Some people have said the referendum is an expensive exercise, and yet here we have the opposition leader, proposing to spend the same amount of money on something that would not change lives."

Dutton criticised by 'Liberals for Yes' group over pledge for second Indigenous recognition referendum

A commitment by Liberal Party leader Peter Dutton to hold a second referendum on Indigenous recognition has been rubbished by one of the leading conservative Voice campaigners.

www.abc.net.au

It is expensive in uncertain economic times, you're obviously oblivious to what's happening with the living costs in Europe that will eventually come here. The whole voice debacle is one of the silliest things I've seen in my whole life, you want general Australians to vote on something without even having proposed board members for starters, not to mention every indigenous socialite gives a different inner working of the organisation, 1/8 of the documents presented to the public, not well thought out at all. Basically just telling people to vote yes because they should, like really, this is what years of politics amount to in Australia.

 

[UMike]

Artistic types are generally leftists - but a bangin' tune is still a bangin' tune. In a certain mood I like the big Midnight Oil hits; I can completely ignore the propaganda in much of the lyrics.

So true.

So much great music attached to moronic lyrics.

(tuned in for a long time to foreign non English music to get away from them)

 

[wayneL]

"Closing the gap"

Apropos to my point about elites.

 

[SirRumpole]

"Closing the gap"

Apropos to my point about elites.

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Around $1- $5 Million.

 

[SirRumpole]

I just ceremonially burnt my Whispering Jack album.

The message obviously isn't getting through, so they up the marketing.

More emotional irrelevance.

 

[wayneL]

Don't know where you get your info from, I found this.

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Around $1- $5 Million.

There does seem to be various estimates.

All of which, whether 1.5 million, 5 million, 33 million, or in excess of 100 million, are in excess of the wealth of average Australian's.

Whichever it is, my point stands.

 

[IFocus]

Warren Mundine Net Worth​

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[IFocus]

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price net worth​

1.61 MILLION
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

 

[SirRumpole]

There does seem to be various estimates.

All of which, whether 1.5 million, 5 million, 33 million, or in excess of 100 million, are in excess of the wealth of average Australian's.

Whichever it is, my point stands.

Let's not get het up about it, add up your land assets and investments these days and it's probably over $1 million.