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am more worried about how the population will react ( since i have mainly focused on Asia , Australia and NZ )

i have mostly avoided the US and EU thinking they are mature ( stale , and lacking real initiative/growth)

now NZ actually admits they are in a recession ( so there is some hope for them ) , Asia will encounter some fall-out , depending on if Japan actually , finally implodes , Australia well time will tell for a 'lucky country ' we have wasted many opportunities in recent years .

now a rather unnoticed point is ... China is now starting it's own round of sanctions , and since it is still 'the global manufacturing heart ' that MIGHT mean blowout inflation ( other nations can make stuff .. but not as cheap as China does )

this time i haven't even bought some BBUS ( i do hold some BEAR though )
 
But remember our circle of money is selling raw commodities to China, China turns them into goods and then sells them to the rest of the world including Australia.

Part of the other world is the US as they're one of the biggest consumers of products and one of the wealthiest buyers.

Trump gets in and cuts the imports off with large tariffs you know where the rest of the other economies are heading, and Inflation will be collateral damage.

Maybe it's what Australia really needs to get rid of all the deadwood in unproductive jobs and make us more competitive on the world scale.
 
well we should have taken a lesson from Ms. Rinehart by selling to the rest of Asia not just solely China , we missed ( mostly ) a huge market in India ( and possibly Mexico )

chances are we have the wrong administration in to correct errors quickly and change strategies ( including manufacturing more locally )

long term Trump looks like the better choice for President , but short term all i see is UGLY ( and MORE debt in most cases )

Australia has picked the razor-wire fence to straddle , and i don't see agile-thinkers in Canberra

PS i suspect NO rate cut for us on Tuesday ( or in the US this week )
 
The tariffs are just a tax on the American consumer, it isn’t actually going to change the flow of goods much over all.

Sure some things will be made in America instead of imported, but then there are offsetting factors.

Eg, if the USA imports less steel from China, they will export less scrap to China, because they will consume that scrap themselves. And Canada will send more steel to the USA instead of Europe, so European imports from China will rise, and there will be less scrap from the USA competing with our virgin iron ore.

Markets are so complex,
 
The tariffs are just a tax on the American consumer, it isn’t actually going to change the flow of goods much over all.
What's the whole idea of the tariffs, it's to tax the hell out of Chinese imports so that US manufacturing becomes viable in the US.
Haven't you been listening to what Trump has said, Trump will try to bring back local manufacturing to the US.

Europe already has its own set of problems, I don't think they'll take the excess goods from China.
 
India already has its own iron ore supply, and it's a better grade than what we have.

BHP and RIO Tinto are our biggest corporate taxpayers, if Canberra doesn't start to work fast to resolve these problems we're going to be in a world of hurt in a few years to come.

If we try to manufacture in Australia imagine the inflation we're going to see, the same goes for the US.
 
inflation , yes , but real jobs/career paths as well ,

earning money usually involves some discomfort in the process ( and you learn to respect it and value it ) unlike the current trend towards digits on a screen
 
What's the whole idea of the tariffs, it's to tax the hell out of Chinese imports so that US manufacturing becomes viable in the US.
Haven't you been listening to what Trump has said, Trump will try to bring back local manufacturing to the US.

I have a little different take on the tariffs.
Firstly, it is not a tax on China it is a tax to be paid by US consumers at the higher product prices.

Yes the higher prices will give more incentive for local manufacturers. However, most of those production facilities are no more, some having been located to other countries, some closed permanently or some lying around in disrepair. Consequently, it could take some years to gear up industry for domestic production. In the meantime the higher prices which need to be paid for those products will add to inflation and increase the cost of living problem.
 
It's basically there to dissuade people from buying Chinese made products and buying from elsewhere, another problem they'll face is who is going to buy overpriced products from the US, probably only them. One thing he promised in his election was to bring automotive assembly but most of it is robotics these days.

Trump claims 60% import tariffs on Chinese made goods and 100% on Chinese cars, 10% on EU and other countries like India, Brazil and so on, so going to impact the world economy a fair bit but more so China.

My personal opinion at this stage is that we're better off with Harris.
 
and other countries like India, Brazil and so on, so going to impact the world economy a fair bit but more so China.

My personal opinion at this stage is that we're better off with Harris.
Maybe the US market is starting to feel the same way. Trump Media which hosts Trump's "Truth" social media platform down 13% last night.

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China’s small manufacturers anguish over Trump’s tariff plans

Republican candidate’s plans to slap tariffs of 60 percent or more on imports has businesses in China worried.
By Frederik Kelter
 
Please do. It will cause my holdings to be less expensive than they are now so I'll get them at a more favourable price.
am not sure i can beat some of my current entry prices , will probably try to add a few more selected shares ( cheap )
 
HOWEVER i might still have a chance of nabbing the XAO prediction comp. ( i selected 55?? something )

and that might make me smile
 
Short term the tariffs are highly inflationary but long-term I think their will be an impact of course but the impact will be less than people predict for a few reasons:

1) Moving manufacturing back to the U.S.A. etc will reduce transportation costs and transport costs will likely rise if the oil price rises in the future (likely).
2) Chinese wages have risen substantially over the last ten years as has all of their other costs of doing business (taxes, rent/land prices, etc).
3) The new factories getting built today are often highly automated and require far fewer employees than the legacy factories built 30 or 40 years ago. This means any wage differential will become less important over time.
 
Yeah, so it’s forcing US consumers who are already complaining about inflation, to pay higher prices, by adding a tax on the lower cost producers.

It would be like bringing in a tax on German owned ALDI, to force more consumers to shop at Australian owned Cole’s and Woolies.

Sure it might have some sort of benefit to certain Aussies, but taking away the cheaper option for Australian low income earners would not be great in my opinion.
 
India’s local Iron Ore is not enough to support itself. imports small amounts of Iron ore, but large amounts of scrap steel, large amounts of finished steel, and large amounts of steel products like machinery etc etc.

So as India grows, it will be a net plus to sea Bourne iron ore demand.
 
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