Value Collector
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I would have if the Scotsman had strange religious views that he wanted to inculcate into our food supply.
if the Scotsman had strange religious
I am not going to force people to give up their religion, I will have open conversations, I will listen to them talk and then explain to them why their ideas are silly
Value Collector said:When it comes to indoctrinating children into a baseless religion, I am against that, But you can't do anything about it unless it's really harmful stuff happening, especially if the rest of society believe religion is a good thing. But that's why I am so against religion in schools, I want one place of learning to be free of religious woo, Tink and Pav don't want that.
I want the government to be 100% secular, and support no religion.
there is lots of religious things I don't like, But I want to attack the ideas, not the people, I consider most believers to be victims of crime, they are only believers because they were lied too. Of all the things we can attack islam for, Halal is not what we need to focus on.
What do you think halal is?
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Just be a bit consistent and say that these practises are ridiculous like you say of other religious practises.?
Do you have a vested interest in the Halal industry by any chance
Halal is often used in reference to foods, i.e. foods that are permissible for Muslims to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.
The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.
The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.
Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies.
Foods that are not halal for Muslims to consume as per various Qurʼanic verses are:
Pork[6]
Blood[7]
Intoxicants and alcoholic beverages[8]
Animals killed incorrectly and/or without Allah's name being pronounced in their killing[9]
Animals slaughtered in the name of anyone but "Allah". All that has been dedicated or offered in sacrifice to an idolatrous altar or saint or a person considered to be "divine"[6][7]
Carrion (carcasses of dead animals, i.e. animals who died in the wild)[6]
An animal that has been strangled, beaten (to death), killed by a fall, gored (to death), or savaged by a beast of prey (unless finished off by a human)[7]
Quranic verses regarding halal foods include: 2:173, 5:5, and 6:118-119, 121.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal
Woo woo.
How on earth is a Halal authority going to guarantee that any meat eaten by a Muslim in this country has been killed by a Muslim preceded by a call to a mythical being (according to you ).
I am not sure if that is a requirement for certification, there is probably some niche product lines that offer that.
However from my discussions I believe, for meat to be halal certified Australia it just has to be shown that the slaughter house has systems in place to ensure no undue stress in caused to the animal prior to slaughter, the animal is stunned by non-lethal means, before being killed by a swift cut to the throat severing it's major veins and air ways. ( which is exactly as the RSPCA recommends, and is the practice for most slaughterhouses ).
The meat product is also free of swine products and other harem products like alcohol.
Here is a slaughter house certified as halal, it's exactly the same as a normal Australian slaughter house. they go in the box, they get stunned, roll out of the box, and have their throat cut, next animal.
I'm surprised that you think the idea has any respectability at all.
So is the machine that does the stunning killing etc a Muslim ?
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Is should be obvious that if the Halal certifiers are prepared to modify their demands for the Australian market, then the beliefs that they allegedly have could also be toned down to nothing if they wanted to.
the muslims early adoption of animal welfare rules is respectable, all the other superstitious aspects aren't respectable.
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Animal welfare is not a purely Islamic idea. It should be a common principle in our society..
If all the other stuff is superstition as you say, I don't see why we need it,
and I certainly don't see why people should have to pay for it, or be under any pressure to get a certification which, as I have shown is meaningless.
Face it VC, this sort of stuff is just unnecessary in our society, and a con, an extortion racket based on myths. Have a think about it and I think you'll get the idea
Value Collector said:And the certification isn't meaningless, It helps people that don't want to eat pig products avoid pig products.
The certification is meaningless because producers can just write on their products that they contain no pig. They can do this for nothing, why should they have to pay someone for that ? That's why its extortion.
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The religious freaks have stirred up their slaves to believe that they can't trust us, our laws or our inspection regimes.
Religious certification divides our society along religious grounds. I thought you said you were against things that divided our society
Which laws are you talking about?
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I've said it before, but to rehash, the laws of false or misleading advertising. ie if someone says their product contains no pork but it does, they can be sued for false or misleading advertising. What legal protection does Halal certification offer above our own laws ?
...gives consumers more confidence.
What it gives them is false confidence because the Halal authority can never check on most of the religious woohoo that is supposed to make up the entirety of the Halal regime.
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