The ScoMo Government

[qldfrog]

That is true,in Venezuela, Somalia or Cuba the same,
to each his own role model.i can see you are aiming high

 

[Humid]

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10845904

 

[qldfrog]

Not qualifying for dole money doesn't sound like socialism to me.
Socialism would be to pay everyone the dole whether they're working or not.

But yeah - it's tough to find work without it so I can sympathise with that.

I would suggest he do as I did. Move to Western Sydney and work unskilled for $22 a hour.

There is a truck load of work here. Hope it works out

He is studying and trying not to be a leech on his parents.finding casual work put him in competition with teens backpackers etc
And not exactly in central brisbane so not many opportunities overall

 

[Humid]

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10845904

Hereditary

 

[PZ99]

That's the advertisement, until they get into power. Then there is no dole for anyone.

The only no-dole narrative I've seen in this country has come from Conservative parties who are anything but socialist.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ar...s/news-story/fc042944828119a2d6ba9b40ea599c18

 

[Humid]

The only no-dole narrative I've seen in this country has come from Conservative parties who are anything but socialist.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ar...s/news-story/fc042944828119a2d6ba9b40ea599c18

Skill shortage because someone cut the guts out of TAFE and left training to the private sector who did nothing and then cried shortage
You want to exploit our resources use local workers,local products and train your shortfall.
These multis know if employ foreigners they can exploit them like the guys who do all the insulation work on LNG projects 90 % Cambodians own bus own crib rooms don’t assimilate at all.
Don’t get me wrong good on them for having a crack and their very good at what they do
But to get a job on these projects they stipulate you need 3 years experience and bingo no local has 3 years experience in LNG
Wrapping fibre glass around pipe isn’t very difficult
Chip pies plumbers fitters with a bit of nouse would figure it out pretty quick
Gorgon probably 200 k pa they wer3 paying
I had guys asking me daily
How do you get a job!,,,,

 

[bellenuit]

The only no-dole narrative I've seen in this country has come from Conservative parties who are anything but socialist.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ar...s/news-story/fc042944828119a2d6ba9b40ea599c18

I'm talking about the socialist countries that were Eastern Europe and some others. As far as I can see the dole has not been abolished by any conservative government in Australia.

 

[Humid]

You don’t need the dole you cut penalty rates and so the big end of town can employ more workers
How’s that one working out

 

[Smurf1976]

Unemployed give less than a rats ass about franking credits too

Unless of course they're ~ age 50+ and self funded in which case it's likely the single biggest issue they're focusing on with the election.

Therein lies the problem. There's no "one size fits all" with this stuff and any attempt to create that brings undesirable and (hopefully) unintended consequences.

 

[PZ99]

I'm talking about the socialist countries that were Eastern Europe and some others. As far as I can see the dole has not been abolished by any conservative government in Australia.

I didn't say it was ever abolished but that's their narrtive. I was talking about someone in Australia who can't get the dole until they're 21 because of their dads' business affairs.

Happily, Australia isn't like Europe.

 

[Humid]

Unless of course they're ~ age 50+ and self funded in which case it's likely the single biggest issue they're focusing on with the election.

Therein lies the problem. There's no "one size fits all" with this stuff and any attempt to create that brings undesirable and (hopefully) unintended consequences.

If your in your 50s unemployed you’re more likely to be going ona government pension

 

[sptrawler]

Skill shortage because someone cut the guts out of TAFE and left training to the private sector who did nothing and then cried shortage
You want to exploit our resources use local workers,local products and train your shortfall.
These multis know if employ foreigners they can exploit them like the guys who do all the insulation work on LNG projects 90 % Cambodians own bus own crib rooms don’t assimilate at all.
Don’t get me wrong good on them for having a crack and their very good at what they do
But to get a job on these projects they stipulate you need 3 years experience and bingo no local has 3 years experience in LNG
Wrapping fibre glass around pipe isn’t very difficult
Chip pies plumbers fitters with a bit of nouse would figure it out pretty quick
Gorgon probably 200 k pa they wer3 paying
I had guys asking me daily
How do you get a job!,,,,

The only difficult thing about it, is getting people to go bush, as you know.

 

[Toyota Lexcen]

Sounds like the chinese plasterers on cbd towers that are Union backed.

 

[Humid]

Sounds like the chinese plasterers on cbd towers that are Union backed.

Which Towers?

 

[Humid]

The only difficult thing about it, is getting people to go bush, as you know.

Yeah it’s the long construction rosters....4x1
EBA jobs they don’t have any trouble filling positions

 

[Humid]

Unless of course they're ~ age 50+ and self funded in which case it's likely the single biggest issue they're focusing on with the election.

Therein lies the problem. There's no "one size fits all" with this stuff and any attempt to create that brings undesirable and (hopefully) unintended consequences.

If your in your 50s self funded and the abolishment of the franking credits is going to be your downfall.....get a bloody job

 

[Toyota Lexcen]

Which Towers?

Every tower

 

[chiff]

I get franking credits,however there are alternative investments..ie bonds ,mortgage trusts ,foreign shares etc. These entitled ,precious self funded retirees want to start to think for themselves.My local member ,Rebekha Sharkey ,sent out a spiel saying these poor self-funded retiries had to consider the expense if they went to the local hotel for a meal once a week etc.They must have a good lobby group these people...they are mainly from God's waiting room at Victor Harbour I suspect.
By definition self-funded retiries are doing OK.By contrast someone on a full pension and paying rent is doing it tough.Not a whimper when poorer workers lost their penalty rates.

 

[basilio]

If your in your 50s unemployed you’re more likely to be going ona government pension

Do you mean right now or in 20 years time ? (If your still around.)

I would fear for anyone in their 50's who has been made redundant and is trying to get a job in a job market that is very competitive and focused on youth. There are only so many jobs available at Bunnings.

"Once upon a time" when factory workers lost their jobs in their 50's and particularly if they wern't that skilled. the Government quietly allowed them to go onto disability pensions. It isn't a huge amount (same as old age pensions) but it kept people under a roof and not totally suicidal. And this policy tacitly recognised that with the decline in manufacturing there would be few new jobs suitable for such people . It also recognised that perhaps younger people would be better served with those opportunities.

That option has now been lost. Disability pensions provisions have been tightened right down. Your 50's unemployed worker has to spend all their savings then go on Newstart and apply for 20 BS jobs a month to keep alive.

 

[basilio]

Some interesting figures on how voters are viewing Labour and Lib or various policy issues.

Labor ahead in Essential poll as voters prefer social spending to tax concessions
Survey puts opposition ahead of Coalition 52% to 48% on two-party-preferred, with voters split on medical evacuations bill

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ers-prefer-social-spending-to-tax-concessions