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SirRumpole said:
I suggest you take it up with the BBC.

Horizon has always been a serious investigative program. If you have never watched it I wouldn't write it off as negligently as you do.
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Well you are the the one that made the post here saying "This guy was "dead" for several days" I was was just wondering if you had actually looked into the claim to see if the reports are substantiated by independent sources from that time.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but if that happened I would think it would make international news, at the very least it would make interesting local news, and be in some medical journals.

I tried to find stuff myself, but I can't find anything written about until a decade after it was said to occur.
 
Value Collector said:
Well you are the the one that made the post here saying "This guy was "dead" for several days" I was was just wondering if you had actually looked into the claim to see if the reports are substantiated by independent sources from that time.
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A bit hard to get records from Russia.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but if that happened I would think it would make international news, at the very least it would make interesting local news, and be in some medical journals.
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If the guy was a dissident I don't think the Russians would be giving him publicity.

I tried to find stuff myself, but I can't find anything written about until a decade after it was said to occur.
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He probably had to get out of Russia first.

In any case I reported that as information for those of an open mind to consider. You will never be happy untill your late great aunt comes knocking on your door but others may be interested.
 
SirRumpole said:
A bit hard to get records from Russia.



If the guy was a dissident I don't think the Russians would be giving him publicity.



He probably had to get out of Russia first.
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As I said, I am pretty sure it would have made international news, at least in the medical profession.

But even if we give the story the benefit of the doubt, and say maybe the story was hidden by the KGB, and maybe no medical records were kept, and maybe he told no one until he got to America, and maybe he didn't make it up to help build his profitable church.

But, why are there more cases of people waking up after 3 days being dead?

Even if his situation was covered up, with millions of people dying each year all around the world, why don't we have more examples that are well documented???

In any case I reported that as information for those of an open mind to consider. You will never be happy untill your late great aunt comes knocking on your door but others may be interested.
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Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence.

But I don't think my request was to extraordinary, a simple request for evidence that he died and was in the morgue for 3 days shouldn't be hard to prove.

Forget about the NDE, I would be impressed by the dying for three days bit, but as I said if that were possible shouldn't we have more examples, (that are well documented)
 
Value Collector said:
Forget about the NDE, I would be impressed by the dying for three days bit, but as I said if that were possible shouldn't we have more examples, (that are well documented)
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A simple search bought up more cases of people who woke up in morgues.

Whether they satisfy your "documentation" standard is up to you, I'm not arguing the toss anymore.
 
i don't know how it will work but it sure oh is exciting. musk thinks AI will explode and i think he's right. and that we are in danger of what he has described to be quite similar to terminators. i think the potential for them to develop the AI to control a terminator is not that difficult at all, BUT the mechanical engineering is way off (not software intelligence for a terminator in the battlefield). as musk puts it, the network intelligence will get so deep that it will take off. when you have a bunch of computers working stuff out together , things happen fast enough.
 
grah33 said:
i don't know how it will work but it sure oh is exciting. musk thinks AI will explode and i think he's right. and that we are in danger of what he has described to be quite similar to terminators. i think the potential for them to develop the AI to control a terminator is not that difficult at all, BUT the mechanical engineering is way off (not software intelligence for a terminator in the battlefield). as musk puts it, the network intelligence will get so deep that it will take off. when you have a bunch of computers working stuff out together , things happen fast enough.
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It's possibly already happened, in a way. We live in a universe where we don't know what's going on, and yet there's obviously some enormous intelligence orchestrating everything. Call it Nature, Physics, God or whatever you want, it's undeniable that something is holding the planets in place and digesting your food. You don't do either of those things with your own volition.

When AI approaches human intelligence, the thing will accelerate so incredibly fast we won't have time to blink. It will be like a looming event, and I suppose it will reach a level compatible with Nature itself. Then it has to decide whether we get to know what's happening. The way it is right now, we've been treated like mushrooms. We have no idea why we're here or what life's about. That may happen again with AI.

The news headlines may be like "We're approaching singularity" and then the next day "It happened... we know it happened, but we don't know where or what it is any more".
 
In other words, it may get God-level smart and decide to keep us in the dark as to how the breakaway happened. One can only assume that with exponential growth, it would very quickly approach Nature itself in terms of its behaviour and characteristics. But then again it was always part of Nature to begin with, as we are. So it may be more like a merging event.
 
Do humans worry about what the ants are doing? No, they barely consider them. And ants don't know about humans. It may be the same when AI really takes off. It will be so far beyond us, we won't even be able to register it, unless we get stepped on. Hopefully it wears ripple soles to give us half a chance.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
In other words, it may get God-level smart and decide to keep us in the dark as to how the breakaway happened. One can only assume that with exponential growth, it would very quickly approach Nature itself in terms of its behaviour and characteristics. But then again it was always part of Nature to begin with, as we are. So it may be more like a merging event.
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sick! i saw this clip where it happens, and then it invents technology and makes the robot dissapear to protect itself. in that case , it would have invented new technology to best solve the problem at hand (avoiding humans), very quickly.

on another note, given the net and information going on everywhere, they should be able to discover whatever else there is to discover faster now. then again, some nukes are very likely to go off too. they're setup to immediately fire back at each other.
 
SirRumpole said:
Your genetic tests are available to life insurance companies, and may be used to deny you insurance.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-25/genetic-testing-can-mean-you-are-denied-life-insurance/8843596
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So how does that gel with arguments about apparent DNA driven lifestyle choices, like promiscuous sex, unsanitary sex, etc. Will they pay higher premiums or will the govt regulate on the basis they are just like us, but different enough to be protected from people just like us?

Is this ABC TV agenda to avoid insurers targetting a future discovery DNA link that causes aberrant high risk behaviours?
 
Tisme said:
Is this ABC TV agenda to avoid insurers targetting a future discovery DNA link that causes aberrant high risk behaviours?
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Maybe there could be a genetic test for Left/Right political tendencies to filter ABC reporters ?

:D
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe there could be a genetic test for Left/Right political tendencies to filter ABC reporters ?

:D
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Be interesting to profile the ABC staff to see where their ancestral roots lay. My bet is the ones who want to destroy the remnants of the ABC's traditional British pedigree are the ones whose parents blew in from trashed countries.
 
Tisme said:
Be interesting to profile the ABC staff to see where their ancestral roots lay. My bet is the ones who want to destroy the remnants of the ABC's traditional British pedigree are the ones whose parents blew in from trashed countries.
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Plus the ones who blew in 50,000 years ago. ;)
 
SirRumpole said:
You can't do anything about your genetics, but you can choose to drive safely.
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Why does that matter? all sorts of things outside of your control determine aspects of insurance.

It's up to the insurance companies which risks they want to insure, at the end of the day its the other insurance customers that will be paying the claims.

If some people have pretty good genetics and are lower risk, their insurance should be lower, if someone has bad genetics maybe they should pay a little extra, or if it is really bad, perhaps private health insurance is not the right option, maybe the whole of society need to help those people via the public system, rather than rely on the smaller group of insurance customers,
 

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