The Science Thread

[SirRumpole]

I believe studies have been done in surgical theatres where "coded objects" were place around the room and subjects were able to identify them later.

If I find that research, I'll post it here.

 

[Value Collector]

I believe that you and I are already perfectly well aware of the true intention underlying your posting of that video.

Ok, you have completely lost me again, you seem to prefer to talk in riddles than just say what you mean, So I have now lost interest.

 

[Value Collector]

I believe studies have been done in surgical theatres where "coded objects" were place around the room and subjects were able to identify them later.

If I find that research, I'll post it here.

Dr Parnia, in the study we have been discussing, placed hidden pictures above the beds, however none of the subjects were able to identify them, including the guy that said he had the out of body experience.

 

[bellenuit]

Dr Parnia, in the study we have been discussing, placed hidden pictures above the beds, however none of the subjects were able to identify them, including the guy that said he had the out of body experience.

A rhetorical question. If one is having an out of body experience, what organ is used to see objects.

 

[Value Collector]

A rhetorical question. If one is having an out of body experience, what organ is used to see objects.

 

[cynic]

Dr Parnia, in the study we have been discussing, placed hidden pictures above the beds, however none of the subjects were able to identify them, including the guy that said he had the out of body experience.

True, but that's not quite the whole story now, is it?
If you'd examined a little further, you would know exactly why that guy didn't see any of the placed symbols!

He was in one of the rooms where none were placed!!

His experience was corroborated from his recounted observations of events between his cardiac arrest and subsequent resuscitation.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Yeah exactly, as are the people in the study that reported "Near death experiences"

Can't you see the connection?

e.g. people in the process of dying report "Near death experiences" where they felt unusual sense of peacefulness and wellbeing, they often attribute this to being on their way to heaven, however as it turns out it could just be the result of hypoxia, induced by low or no blood flow to the brain.

Yeh but heaven isn't a place or a realm, it's a state of mind (according to those who know). You enter it by withdrawing from the self. Self has no form, it's just an output of the hardware/software, so as the brain is deprived of oxygen that software stops functioning, so bliss is experienced. The natural state.

 

[Value Collector]

His experience was corroborated from his recounted observations of events between his cardiac arrest and subsequent resuscitation.

As I said I am kinda of done with the discussion with you.

Also, as I explained earlier, I saw nothing that could rule out his "observation of events" wasn't just him hearing the events taking place and any visuals totally imagined.

 

[Value Collector]

Yeh but heaven isn't a place or a realm, it's a state of mind (according to those who know). You enter it by withdrawing from the self. Self has no form, it's just an output of the hardware/software, so as the brain is deprived of oxygen that software stops functioning, so bliss is experienced. The natural state.

So heaven is just death??? a lot of people are going to be disappointed,

 

[Gringotts Bank]

So heaven is just death??? a lot of people are going to be disappointed,

Death of the ego, yes. There's scientific support for this now.

 

[cynic]

A rhetorical question. If one is having an out of body experience, what organ is used to see objects.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025010015662
Not exactly an answer to your question, but, apparently some blind people have experienced the ability to see during NDEs.

 

[SirRumpole]

This guy was "dead" for several days. He woke up when an autopsy was about to be performed on him.

He told doctors about visiting out of his body with a sick child and what was wrong with the child. The doctors confirmed what he said about the child.

He turned from an atheist into a priest because of his experience.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/some-people-were-dead-for-several-days.html

 

[Value Collector]

This guy was "dead" for several days. He woke up when an autopsy was about to be performed on him.

He told doctors about visiting out of his body with a sick child and what was wrong with the child. The doctors confirmed what he said about the child.

He turned from an atheist into a priest because of his experience.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/some-people-were-dead-for-several-days.html

Is there a report from a credible source about this?

Anything written in independent media etc from around the time it actually happened? Even like A local news paper article about it or something from around the time it is said to have happened.

Otherwise how do we know it wasn't just a story that was made up?

I mean I can link stories of people that claimed to be abducted by aliens, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[SirRumpole]

Is there a report from a credible source about this?

The case was on a BBC Horizon program called "Afterlife" some years ago.

I would think that the BBC would check it out thoroughly before broadcasting it.

 

[Tisme]

Odd how these type of threads start out as a mutual discovery and quickly form into one or two who argue the crossed arms negative, thereby shutting down the opportunity to explore the boundaries.

 

[Value Collector]

The case was on a BBC Horizon program called "Afterlife" some years ago.

I would think that the BBC would check it out thoroughly before broadcasting it.

I doubt it, those sort of shows are generally labeled as "entertainment only"

But yeah, this all appartrently happened in 1976, so see if you can find references to it from that time, or actual medical records from that time. Otherwise I would just say it's another case of a BS religious conversion story that's been made up to impress the flock.

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Plenty of claims out there, is this proof of aliens

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ials-revealed-the-meaning-of-life-to-him/amp/

If you don't think this claim is evidence for aliens you should be able to see why the claim you link is also unimpressive.

 

[Value Collector]

Odd how these type of threads start out as a mutual discovery and quickly form into one or two who argue the crossed arms negative, thereby shutting down the opportunity to explore the boundaries.

Isn't asking for evidence part of " exploring the boundary"

This is a science thread.

 

[SirRumpole]

I doubt it, those sort of shows are generally labeled as "entertainment only"

I suggest you take it up with the BBC.

Horizon has always been a serious investigative program. If you have never watched it I wouldn't write it off as negligently as you do.

 

[Tisme]

Isn't asking for evidence part of " exploring the boundary"

This is a science thread.

Not if you are trying to expand a conversation. Proofs should be left at the end so that the whole subject can be overviewed, discussed freely and workshopped. If you shut the gate on one aspect you can be severing a link to a broader issue.

There are so many logical holes in people "seeing the light", but this thread is about something that is prima facie illogical, so applying objective rules to a subjective discussion is counter productive IMO.

My wife was an aethiest and was so when she passed away, but ten years earlier she was in ICU after a world first operation and all but gone to heaven. She heeded my pleas to not leave me and later recounted how she too was in a peaceful state in a bright environment... she didn't seem to fear death after that and perhaps explains why she died with a smile on her face...beats me.

 

[Value Collector]

Not if you are trying to expand a conversation. Proofs should be left at the end so that the whole subject can be overviewed, discussed freely and workshopped.

So which part did you take offence to? was it me asking if rumple had any other accounts of the man waking up after days in a morgue?

Because I think that is important, before we discuss the topic to far its important to find out if the actually event happened, e.g. did the guy die for several days and then wake up. because if that didn't happen, whats the point of discussing the rest of the claim.