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I think it's quite possible that you weren't fully asleep and you were simply listening to what was happening and interpreted that as a dream.
Yes, and I have also validated them myself, e.g. woken up and found my grandmother in the kitchen talking to family, or woken up and heard the lawn mower / alarm clock etc still going on, even though I dreamed for a few minutes a lucid dream that included these sounds.
Why would you jump to that conclusion, first you would have to rule out a host of other possibilities.
1, Did the person actually have zero brain function? or are we just assuming they had no brain function?
I doubt they had the person on a brain scanner, so we can't say for sure. But it is possible that a person that is unconscious can still hear conversations and other sounds that give them certain information, enough information to form a some what accurate lucid dream.
2, It can be same with talking to psychics, people tend to count all the information the psychic says that they can relate to, but forget all the things that don't add up.
I think it's quite possible that you weren't fully asleep and you were simply listening to what was happening and interpreted that as a dream.
"One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room."Yes, and I have also validated them myself, e.g. woken up and found my grandmother in the kitchen talking to family, or woken up and heard the lawn mower / alarm clock etc still going on, even though I dreamed for a few minutes a lucid dream that included these sounds.
But, I think what you have to understand is that the brain can often collect and process information unconsciously with out you realising it, for example there are Blind people that experience "Blind Sight", eyes are healthy, but their brains cannot show them images, but certain tests show that their brain still processes the information collected without them being aware of it, and they can know things without "seeing them"
It doesn't seem impossible to me that an unconscious persons brain might still be collecting information if their eyes and ears are still open, and some of that information can be recalled later of becomes part of a dream.
My understanding is that the possibility of continued brain function was ruled out due to the patients having been in cardiac arrest during that time
As I said, unconsciousness is not as simple as on/off, varying brain states result in varying levels of consciousness, even some forms of consciousness that seem like the person in unconscious, were the person them selves may not know their brain is collecting and processing information.My further understanding, is that the study was able to verify that at least one of the patients had valid (i.e. not imagined) recollections of actual events which occurred throughout the period of his cardiac arrest.
"One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room."
So in addition to your suggestion that "eyes and ears are still open" a periscope (or similar ocular enhancement) might also be required, to support your ardent scepticism of the findings of this particular study!
I shall resist the temptation to proffer a snide response.in hallucinations, real world information can blend with imagination to really screw around with what we think we are seeing.
We would have to rule out hallucination before we invoked the supernatural, because we already know brains have a predisposition to hallucinate when under stress, I have had some hallucinations that were very vivid.
I'm looking forward to being a nuisance ghost
So just how much of the (so called) "science" to which you profess, could reasonably survive your strictures regarding the conclusive exclusion of hallucinations, which by your own accounts can be "very vivid"?
in hallucinations, real world information can blend with imagination to really screw around with what we think we are seeing.
We would have to rule out hallucination before we invoked the supernatural, because we already know brains have a predisposition to hallucinate when under stress, I have had some hallucinations that were very vivid.
in hallucinations, real world information can blend with imagination to really screw around with what we think we are seeing.
We would have to rule out hallucination before we invoked the supernatural, because we already know brains have a predisposition to hallucinate when under stress, I have had some hallucinations that were very vivid.
in science you seek to verify your answers in multiple ways, using controls to try and rule out other possibilities, and you make sure your experiments can be repeated by others etc.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I would want the subject to be under going a brain scan that confirmed no brain activity was happening before we ruled out brain activity as a possible cause.
Also, I would seek to get the subject to reveal some "new information" that wouldn't have been possible for them to have picked up on either consciously or subconsciously in any other way than besides having a genuine out of body experience.
Advanced spiritual practitioners tell us that the states they visit are more real than this reality (ie. the one we think of as ultimate 'real' reality). .
already been an accumulating body of anecdotal evidence, which in and of itself, would readily satisfy all of your expressed objections to date.
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My wife haunted the house for about 3 months after passing and on her birthday for about three years. The cat would wale and pupils dilate. The electrics with whistle and bells would go off.
I'm looking forward to being a nuisance ghost
Thankyou for offering to share one of your more profound insights!the plural of "anecdotal" is not "Data"
Are you truly dismissing that body of anecdotal accounts as largely comprised of misinformation, (rather than information)?
that sounds like something a user of hallucinogenic drugs might say.
either way, its a claims that would require evidence before it could be taken seriously.
Rather than continuing to entertain your customary playing of the usual "fraud" and/or "hallucination" trump cards from the acclaimed tarot deck of the sceptics, how about we talk about the real issue that has you so vehemently opposed to the findings of the AWARE study?I am saying that a large body of anecdotal claims doesn't mean something is true, for example, there is a large body of anecdotal claims of alien encounters, this isn't evidence that alien encounters are actually happening, its just evidence that people are saying they are happening.
The reasons for the large body of alien encounter claims can vary from hallucination to attention seeking, drug use and many other things.
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10 years after his best selling book was published this boy has admitted he made up the whole story of going to and returning from heaven.
Do you you think he is the only one that has made up stories for money, fame or attention?
add, the made up stories to the hallucinations, dreams and unconscious information gathering etc and you get a "Large body of anecdotal stories" non of which are real.
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