The Olympic Torch Relay

[Sprinter79]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/10/2213776.htm?section=justin

"Foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters that Rogge's view of a "crisis" might have been exaggerated, and made it clear China would not engage in a discussion on its human rights performance."

So, if China doesn't want to engage in a discussion on its human rights performance, obviously there isn't a problem, is there?

 

[2020hindsight]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/10/2213776.htm?section=justin

"Foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters that Rogge's view of a "crisis" might have been exaggerated, and made it clear China would not engage in a discussion on its human rights performance."

So, if China doesn't want to engage in a discussion on its human rights performance, obviously there isn't a problem, is there?

wow..
that one in response to Rogge's comments ... (certainly he seems to have been drawn into the politics of the situation).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/10/2213750.htm

Rogge urges China to respect human rights pledge
Posted 9 hours 44 minutes ago
International Olympic Committee (IOC) president Jacques Rogge has called for China to respect its commitment to improve human rights ahead of the Beijing Games.

At a press conference, Mr Rogge emphasised to reporters that Chinese officials promised when they made their bid to host the 2008 Olympics that being awarded the Games would "advance the social agenda of China, including human rights".

"This is what I would call a moral engagement rather than a juridical (legal) one," he said.

"We definitely ask China to respect this moral engagement."

he goes on ...

Mr Rogge also said there are no plans to cut short the troubled torch relay.

"This scenario is definitely not on the agenda," he told reporters when asked whether the issue of cutting short the relay would be discussed when IOC executive board members meet in Beijing later this week.

Mr Rogge said a week of protests targeting the Olympic torch relay by groups critical of China had thrown the Olympics into "crisis" but that they would rebound in time for the Beijing Games in August.

Earlier, Mr Rogge said that the controversies had left Olympic athletes confused in the run-up to the Games.

cuttin short the torch relay won't be on the agenda !
(yeah right).
How about the third option of a polite request to cancel taking it through Tibet? - on the agenda that is. Then again, the Chinese will be "in control" there I guess - and wanting to demonstrate the fact perhaps .

 

[2020hindsight]

Next question (s). - maybe for a different thread..
Did they do the right thing in giving it to China?
Will the Chinese people learn something from all this?
Will the Chinese leadership learn something from all this?
.........
Where will China rank in world powers in 2050. ?

....
PS Do the British have a perfect "human rights" record in China? - considering they muscled into China during the Opium Wars, by converting the people to addicts - where even missionaries were doubling as drug pushers
PS Do the Chinese people remember little things like that?

 

[2020hindsight]

Next question
What relative weighting do we give to Chinese politics versus these blokes (AQ etc) who are without doubt waiting in the background to mess up the party ? ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/11/2213820.htm?section=justin

China 'foils Olympic terrorism plots'
Posted 39 minutes ago

Chinese authorities say they have detained 45 terrorist suspects from East Turkestan and foiled plots to carry out suicide bomb attacks and kidnap athletes to disrupt the Beijing Olympics.

Uighur militants have been agitating to establish an independent East Turkestan in China's predominantly Muslim north-western region of Xinjiang, bordering Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Chinese authorities cracked two terrorist groups, one of which belonged to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), Ministry of Public Security spokesman Wu Heping said.

ETIM was listed by the United Nations as a terrorist group in 2002 and has links to Al Qaeda.

Mr Wu said the group asked its members to do trial runs using poisoned meat, poison gas and remote control explosive devices.

Their aim was "to create an international incident with the goal of disrupting the Olympic Games", he said.

The first group, led by Aji Muhammat, bought explosive materials and carried out 13 test explosions.

Suspects in custody confessed they were ordered to commit suicide if arrested. ..... etc

 

[juw177]

Here is more of our "free media" in action.

Over the weekend, over 5000 people in Sydney and Melbourne protested against media distortion and violence instigated by Tibetans and for peaceful Olympics.

Channel Ten and BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6fbq7Pbeas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdP-xHyLefE


Now compare the above reports with our good ole right wing Channel 9 that managed to turn it into "a couple of hundred Chinese people protesting against human rights":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2vzR9sMK0&feature=related

 

[谭智元]

Say no to the 2008 Beijing Olympics!

Diego Maradona refuses to carry Olympic torch - Times Online

 

[Joe Blow]

Plays on the user names of other members is considered deliberate trolling behaviour and is therefore unacceptable. (i.e. modifying someone's user name and turning it into an insult).

If you cannot avoid making things personal then perhaps it's best that you don't post in political threads as infractions will be issued to those who choose to make personal attacks on others.

Lets stick to the issues please.

 

[Aussie2Aussie]

Here is more of our "free media" in action.

Now compare the above reports with our good ole right wing Channel 9 that managed to turn it into "a couple of hundred Chinese people protesting against human rights":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2vzR9sMK0&feature=related

Shall I quote what was acually said juw, or will you fess up that the report says nothing like:

"a couple of hundred Chinese people protesting against human rights"

Time to be honest - are you up to it?

 

[juw177]

A2A, sometimes you should just let things go or just don't participate in discussions. No need to make attacks on people who don't agree with your one sided views.

They were thousands of people, not hundreds. It was not a protest to end Chinese human right protests like Channel 9 is trying to twist it into. It was a distorted news report because what happened does not sit with the USA funded free tibet campaign.

You will have to have zero comprehension skill if you cannot see any distortion in the report.

 

[Aussie2Aussie]

A2A, sometimes you should just let things go or just don't participate in discussions. No need to make attacks on people who don't agree with your one sided views.

They were thousands of people, not hundreds. It was not a protest to end Chinese human right protests like Channel 9 is trying to twist it into. It was a distorted news report because what happened does not sit with the USA funded free tibet campaign.

You will have to have zero comprehension skill if you cannot see any distortion in the report.

Comprehension is fine at my end. I think you may be the one struggling.

The nine report says "they are calling for a peaceful games and an end to the human rights protests".

How does that translate to "a couple of hundred Chinese people protesting against human rights", as you report it as saying. Yes those are your quotation marks- talk about distortion of the truth.

 

[doctorj]

None of the world's problems were ever solved on an internet forum.

Don't strain anything.

 

[juw177]

Gee DJ, you try telling him, the kid just wont let it go.

I would debate with you A2A if you had some good points / arguments to boot so feel free to bring something new to the table. Looking at your post history, I am not so sure what point you are trying to argue.