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The Middle East and Western Asia: Bit of a hot spot?

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Bel

What in your opinion should the west do about all this then?


I don't pretend to have an immediate answer to Islamic terorism, as it will take a very long time to combat and win against a foe that does NOT value life itself, but considers this life as simply a step towards the next, hence the 72 virgins myth. It is evident in some countries, even those in the West with a sizeable Muslim population, that there is a reversion to Fundamentalist Islam. I read recently that a significant propoprtion of Muslim youth living in the UK believe it should enshrine Sharia Law.

It will take as long to counter Fundamentalist Islam, if not longer, then it took to beat Communism, especially when you have a segment in the West (very prevalent amongst the so called 'intellectuals') who hate the West itself. There seems to be an autocratic trait amongst intellectuals against those who oppose their point of view. This was evident prior to WW11 when a number of intellectuals, especially in the UK, supported Facism
 
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There seems to be an autocratic trait amongst intellectuals against those who oppose their point of view. This was evident prior to WW11 when a number of intellectuals, especially in the UK, supported Facism
Oh... like... Bohr, Sartre, Einstein, Camus, Orwell, Husserl, Arendt, Moore, Wittgenstein, Hemingway and Bertrand Russell?
 
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1890186.htm
Ripley's believe it or not
 
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That's how my granpa sorted out problems with his neighbours too - just sat around with em and talked horses .. they forgot what they were fighting over
(maybe tat should be ...with his neeeigh- bours )
 
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That's how my granpa sorted out problems with his neighbours too - just sat around with em and talked horses .. they forgot what they were fighting over
(maybe tat should be ...with his neeeigh- bours )
Just don't let the ladies get involved... certain disaster.

I've never known such a diabolical and vicious sub-set of humanity as horsewomen. :run:

(with the exception of despots, mass murderers, politicians etc)
 
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Just don't let the ladies get involved... certain disaster.
Some American Indian tribes had an interesting culture/policy about war. It was that only the men fought them, but it was only the women who could decide whether to go to war or not. No wonder they were always fighting each other! (I'm not sure if I'm meaning that as a joke, or not )
 
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Kennas - fascinating lol
like the bloke who says I make the big decisions, the missus makes the small decisions -
Like, she decides when we'll get a new car, where we'll live, little stuff like that ..
I decide the big decisions like, whether Hicks was really guilty, why the libs lost the state election etc

Wayne- not really relevant, but the Chinese have a saying "sarm gaw nooyun, yut gaw hoi" , means "three women = one marketplace".
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles In all 3000 killed in Nth Ireland - of them 500+300 = 800 army and police and including Lord Mountbatten - (British Royal - every chance he was blown up with american explosive )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWER113g_2A lest we forget (this one for British and Nth Ireland servicemen etc who died in Nth Ireland).

Of course the Irish had legitimate complaints. But resorting to terrorism was an ugly period in their history, and (touch wood) hopefully in the past.

As I mentioned before, active duty on home soil . Must be difficult diplomatic matter to handle on Remembrance day, you'd think.

We may have our disagreements in Aus, but at least we haven't reached that stage yet
 
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Tit for tat. ?
Personally I'd believe both stories - the Iranians probably threatened the UK servicemen with jail if they didnt say nice things on TV, (2 weeks)

and the USA / CIA probably kidnapped that Iranian diplomat and did (at least) the same to him ( 2 months)


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1892391.htm
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1892093.htm
 
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Whatever happened to the instructions given to prisoners of war in times goneby, when, if captured, you only gave your"

Name,
Rank, and
Number.

Where they really ourgunned and where was the Brits' marine escort? I hope the Aussies have got more guts if they get caught in a similar situation.

Footnote. And now these so called 'UK servicemen/woman' are going to make money out of their cowardice!
 
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?? bel you never cease to amaze me lol.
the brits are being championed by their superiors for this alleged cowardice (in the face of vastly superior force) they avoided a major incident - no point in being blown up is there?

and as for the name rank and serial number bit , lol. Try that with a pack of dogs taking bits out of your naked legs, with sadists around itching to stitch you up again, or grin over your dead body.

what do you think we've been on about on the hick's thread for the last 200 posts - sheesh.

Next war, you can be in the front line m8 - and btw , if you're captured, don't do what hundreds of US airforcemen did in Korea and change allegiances / sympathies. Some even stayed in Korea after the war. - Amid screams of "Geneva Convention ignored" from USA.

According to modern enlightened USA, the Geneva Convention is "old hat" and only applies to "others".
 
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Were they really outgunned, or don't the Brits and their 'intellectual' supporters believe in Democracy anymore. Let the Mullahs have thier way 'at any price' is their motto!

Reminds me of Chamberlains' Peace in our Time' (read 'Peace at Any Price') whe he returned from his meeting with Hitler prior to the outbreak of WW11. Bullies never respect cowards!
 
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yeah, yeah , and "there are none so blind as those who will not see" as you also told us .

and that's why you refuse to watch Kerry Obrien etc . sheesh
 
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yeah, yeah , and "there are none so blind as those who will not see" as you also told us .

and that's why you refuse to watch Kerry Obrien etc . sheesh


If you had read my post carefully, instead of using your verbal sneering attitude to criticise it, you would have noticed that I consider Tony Jones to be a far superior interviewer. Why should I listen to an inferior product when a better one is avalaible? Maybe the time slot is too late for you, as it maybe past your bed time. Well that's your choice!
 
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bel, I watch both when I can, not always of course.
That's how I can confidentaly say there is no bias with either.
but ABC bias is getting off fthe track - you proposed that the poms were lily livered cowards as I recall. I suggest they had more intelligence than to aggrevate a delicate international incident
a) I notice their superiors agree with me, not you, and
b) shame USA didn't takes some notes
USA is as much a part of the problem as of the solution - many would say the biggest part of the problem, including the likes of Nelson Mandela and many thinkers out there.
PS My guess is that you will find some reason to find a bias in Mandela as well
 
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If Brits stood their ground, US could have good excuse to address Iran problem, now they have to wait for another opportunity.
 
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For those who seem to be advocating a war with Iran watch this movie => Threads Pt. 1 (subsequent parts available on the site). Made in the 80's, the theme is eerily familiar and topical today... just so there can be no mistake as to what the stakes are.
 
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http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/press.asp?rls_id=742&cat_id=6&

This is some of the speculation I have read that the US is going to take a swipe at Iran. Some speculation has the US having a swipe at Iran this month .

I don't know wether he is Scaremongering, trying to Ramp gold or knows something we don't.

Your guess is as good as mine, I don't know until whatever happens, happens...
 
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Good find wayne. I guess what it really shows is there is nothing left to conquer after nuclear war. There are no winners. Just out of interest wayne are you implying by your statement that invading iran may provoke russia or alternatively that we should make sure iran cannot obtain nuclear weapons.
 
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*Well of immediate concern is that messing with Iran could escalate into a confrontation with Russia/China as they both have strategic objectives involved. Particularly as this US administration would probably have no hesitation in using nukes and in fact has threatened their use openly.

*If they did use them in Iran, we have to be cognizant of their effect on the civilian population of Iran (Just ordinary Jokers & Jokesses just like us)... not acceptable.

*As far as Iran getting the bomb.... no, I don't want to see Iran with a bomb, but I don't see them unilaterally using it... and we don't know if they intend building one anyway. I am more concerned about the USA and/or Israel using them. (only one country HAS used them so far and we all know who that is)

*The scenario in the movie could only be possible if the big 3 get involved ie usa russia china. Those are the real stakes IMO. A course of action with that as even the remotest possibility is shear lunacy IMO.
 
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