The lunatic right

[wayneL]

@moXJO whoever you are answering here I must have on ignore but I could take a very short odds on punt on who it is.

"Fascism" he's quite an interesting topic in my opinion as I do think there is rise of fascism, ”economic” fascism at least (and economic fascism bears very close similarities to communism).

The most interesting thing to me is protagonists of such. It's not p155ant groups of skinheads or even purportedly right-wing governments.

it is supra-national and I have written about this in other threads

 

[sptrawler]

IMO there isn't a lot of difference between lunatic left, or lunatic right, they are just people who have fanatic obsessive issues and are driven to convert everyone to their beliefs whatever that may be and my guess it is all the issues they talk about.
They must be extremely difficult to live with IMO, I guess their partners are of the same beliefs, or just sit quietly and let the rant go through to the keeper.

 

[moXJO]

Mox do you have a copy of Phillip Galeas 'cook book'? If not go out and buy a copy It'll possibly help fund his appeal case on the 12yrs porrige he's up for. Could be out in 5, lucky us...
Keep us up on any 'Lefties' being sent up 'the River' for planned acts of violence or out massicaring childern and their families at their place of worship.
P.S 34 to 1 and counting as the legals implode... check the one they won; by the lenght of a couch.
And your efforts would be better described as Sisyphean not Herculean... silly of me.

Um 4 legals lodged.

 

[moXJO]

Yet the efforts of Donald Trump to overthrow the US election with unsubstantiated claims of fraud and undermine peoples confidence in the integrity of the electoral system doesn't rate as "looking for power" ?

Strange fruit indeed...

Let the constitution do its thing. He has a right to legal challenges. Like I said its a low probability play unless he has overwhelming evidence.

Scrutiny isn't a bad thing.

 

[sptrawler]

Let the constitution do its thing. He has a right to legal challenges. Like I said its a low probability play unless he has overwhelming evidence.

Scrutiny isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't need scrutiny, the media and the ranters have decided, the same ones were backing Rugby Australia against Israel Folau look how that worked out for them.
I personally think Trump is done as a dinner, but there is a process and it has to be followed. That's why we have processes, so the pitchfork crews can't take things into their own hands.

 

[basilio]

A bit of clarity on processes regarding conduct of the US elections

The election gives Joe Biden a clear victory. He has polled 306 Electoral votes vs Trump 232. Incidentally the same margin as Trump achieved in his victory.
The voting margins in the last 4 states are decisive. 12,600 in Georgia ; 20k in Wisconsin ; 79 k in Pennsylvannia ; 154 k in Michigan. These margins were in fact much larger than Trump achieved in his win.

Due processes in an election with such clear outcomes are simple. The losing candidate acknowledges the result and concedes.

There is no precedent for a candidate losing so decisively in an election to simply declare it was rigged and then start a barrage of legal actions to somehow prove this assertion. The outcome of the cases to date indicate there is no evidence of the sort of irregularity or mistakes that could change the election result.

The other outcome, coming back to this thread, is also clear. Because of Trumps repeated lies about this rigged election millions of people in "The Lunatic Right" are now certain the US voting system is a sham, that Trump was cheated out of a rightful victory and that they better do something about the situation..

There is nothing "right" about legal challenges which have no basis in fact and in no case can change the voting result with the margins achieved. (If the margins were in the low thousands recounts, re checks ect could make a difference) Their only use is to destroy public confidence in the system and in this case attempt to create a non voting path to power. That's called a coup.

 

[moXJO]

@moXJO whoever you are answering here I must have on ignore but I could take a very short odds on punt on who it is.

"Fascism" he's quite an interesting topic in my opinion as I do think there is rise of fascism, ”economic” fascism at least (and economic fascism bears very close similarities to communism).

The most interesting thing to me is protagonists of such. It's not p155ant groups of skinheads or even purportedly right-wing governments.

it is supra-national and I have written about this in other threads

The point where the right and left completely dissociate with one another is hugely damaging imo. And that's where we are getting to. I have noticed the anti Trumpers in Australia using similar tactics in Aus. But its state vs state stuff.

A bit of clarity on processes regarding conduct of the US elections

The election gives Joe Biden a clear victory. He has polled 306 Electoral votes vs Trump 232. Incidentally the same margin as Trump achieved in his victory.
The voting margins in the last 4 states are decisive. 12,600 in Georgia ; 20k in Wisconsin ; 79 k in Pennsylvannia ; 154 k in Michigan. These margins were in fact much larger than Trump achieved in his win.

Due processes in an election with such clear outcomes are simple. The losing candidate acknowledges the result and concedes.

There is no precedent for a candidate losing so decisively in an election to simply declare it was rigged and then start a barrage of legal actions to somehow prove this assertion. The outcome of the cases to date indicate there is no evidence of the sort of irregularity or mistakes that could change the election result.

The other outcome, coming back to this thread, is also clear. Because of Trumps repeated lies about this rigged election millions of people in "The Lunatic Right" are now certain the US voting system is a sham, that Trump was cheated out of a rightful victory and that they better do something about the situation..

There is nothing "right" about legal challenges which have no basis in fact and in no case can change the voting result with the margins achieved. (If the margins were in the low thousands recounts, re checks ect could make a difference) Their only use is to destroy public confidence in the system and in this case attempt to create a non voting path to power. That's called a coup.

Mail-ins made this election different from any other. And lawyers that changed rules for the states.

He has every right under the constitution to call for recounts. Stop talking out your ass.

The courts will decide and unless there is some super earth shattering evidence then he is on course to leave the Whitehouse when he is meant to. He doesn't get a choice.

 

[basilio]

He is not just calling for "recounts". Moxjo. He has repeatedly labelled the result as rigged. He has refused to accept the evidence of the votes as counted and insists on tweeting more and more lies about the process.

He is destroying public confidence in the electoral system. He is hardening millions of people to disbelieving the legitimacy of the next government.

That is unacceptable.

 

[sptrawler]

He is not just calling for "recounts". Moxjo. He has repeatedly labelled the result as rigged. He has refused to accept the evidence of the votes as counted and insists on tweeting more and more lies about the process.

He is destroying public confidence in the electoral system. He is hardening millions of people to disbelieving the legitimacy of the next government.

That is unacceptable.

If it is investigated and it is shown their was no fraudulent behaviour, Trump loses credibility with his support base, why is everyone carrying on?
What is destroying confidence, is the reluctance to have it investigated, as happened with China and the virus and happens with anything where there is a reluctance to independent investigation.

 

[SirRumpole]

What is destroying confidence, is the reluctance to have it investigated, as happened with China and the virus and happens with anything where there is a reluctance to independent investigation.

'It' is being investigated by the courts right now and is being thrown out.

There is nothing to see, it's all bull**** from Trump.

 

[satanoperca]

Mail-ins made this election different from any other.

Ya don't say. Funny about mail-ins, who wooda thought, people (smart ones) selected to mail-in the ballots.

Give ya a hint: 258,000 dead people.

Give ya another hint, what has killed 19,000 people so far this year in the USA?

And it is not Chump man.

Of course, mail-ins were going to be high, that is why Chump man has been bleating it is rigged, he failed.

 

[dutchie]

That is unacceptable.

But 4 ½ years of Orange man bad, false accusations and criticism, no matter what he did, by the MSM and other DTS lunatics, is OK.

The hypocrisy is laughable.
Hypocrites, all of you.

 

[satanoperca]

But 4 ½ years of Orange man bad, false accusations and criticism, no matter what he did, by the MSM and other DTS lunatics, is OK.

The hypocrisy is laughable.
Hypocrites, all of you.

Ya lost that is laughable. You must be a white male.

 

[sptrawler]

'It' is being investigated by the courts right now and is being thrown out.

There is nothing to see, it's all bull**** from Trump.

Well then, all is well that ends well, everyone has a right to question that's why we have protocols.

 

[bellenuit]

Well then, all is well that ends well, everyone has a right to question that's why we have protocols.

He didn't question. He claimed fraud. That is quite a different thing. Even though a second election official has now come out and attested that this has been one of the fairest elections, and even though Trump has lost almost every single case he instigated, for a large minority of the population, the Trump true believers, this election has been fraudulent in their eyes. The damage done to trust in the electoral system is enormous.

 

[sptrawler]

He didn't question. He claimed fraud. That is quite a different thing. s.

How is that a different thing? He wouldn't question if he didn't think there had been a wrongdoing, he questioned the validity of the votes, jeez the hate is palpable.
It is amazing how people can be so driven, by what they are being fed through an electronic box or a paper.
I bet none of the shrills on here live in the U.S, yet are so well versed by what they read in the 'womans weekly' or see on the idiot box, there is a reason they call it that.
Why not just move on and let the obvious happen, it will all be self resolving.

 

[bellenuit]

How is that a different thing?

You don't know the difference?

 

[satanoperca]

How is that a different thing? He wouldn't question if he didn't think there had been a wrongdoing, he questioned the validity of the votes, jeez the hate is palpable.
It is amazing how people can be so driven, by what they are being fed through an electronic box or a paper.
I bet none of the shrills on here live in the U.S, yet are so well versed by what they read in the 'womans weekly' or see on the idiot box, there is a reason they call it that.
Why not just move on and let the obvious happen, it will all be self resolving.

WTF?

Did you read what you wrote, did you think for a second?

" He wouldn't question if he didn't think there had been a wrongdoing"

Are you serious, this is a man that blames everyone and everything if he doesn't get his own way. This is a man that creates so many lies and fake truths that people actually believe him - is that you?

What is laughable is that you actually think Chump man is capable of thought outside "I am the best ever, I am wonderful, I am smart, I am attractive, I am, I am, I am, I am"

That is all this person is capable of thinking.

I have only resulted in attached, as you have been both rude and pathetic to the quality of posters on this site.

 

[SirRumpole]

WTF?

Did you read what you wrote, did you think for a second?

" He wouldn't question if he didn't think there had been a wrongdoing"

Are you serious, this is a man that blames everyone and everything if he doesn't get his own way. This is a man that creates so many lies and fake truths that people actually believe him - is that you?

What is laughable is that you actually think Chump man is capable of thought outside "I am the best ever, I am wonderful, I am smart, I am attractive, I am, I am, I am, I am"

That is all this person is capable of thinking.

I have only resulted in attached, as you have been both rude and pathetic to the quality of posters on this site.

sp is right in one respect, it will be self resolving and not by us so there is not a lot of point us talking about it.

The US courts have the matter well in hand imo and justice will be done in the end.

 

[satanoperca]

@SirRumpole you are correct
@sptrawler my comments are retracted.

Frustrated that just because somebody says something is blue and keeps saying it, doesn't mean it is blue.

I want like I believe most want, so sort of order to come back to US governance. It is not a reality TV show.