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sptrawler said:
Well it wont be long, before there will be something for the left to really ponder on IMO, a changing world.
Religion is not my bag, but if people think the Christians carry some baggage, well the alternative is growing faster and faster, so the opportunities for diversification are endless.

www.theguardian.com

Calls grow to disestablish Church of England as Christians become minority

Role of church in parliament and schools questioned as census shows 5.5m fewer holders of faith in England and Wales
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christians becoming the minority in U.k - Google Search

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www.pewresearch.org

Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group

The main reasons for Islam’s growth ultimately involve simple demographics.
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Sesquipedalians unite to call for antidisestablishmentarianism :p
 
Just showing their forgiving, understanding and compassionate side. LOL
Cant wait to see Adam's form when he has to handle a pandemic, a closing down of the economy and facing the media music every day to give them an update.
Just showing why he isnt taken seriously IMO.
www.smh.com.au

‘Betrayal’: Greens’ leader to seek further action against Scott Morrison

Adam Bandt will move to refer the former prime minister to the powerful privileges committee, which could result in Morrison facing more sanctions.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
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Just showing their forgiving, understanding and compassionate side. LOL
Cant wait to see Adam's form when he has to handle a pandemic, a closing down of the economy and facing the media music every day to give them an update.
Just showing why he isnt taken seriously IMO.
www.smh.com.au

‘Betrayal’: Greens’ leader to seek further action against Scott Morrison

Adam Bandt will move to refer the former prime minister to the powerful privileges committee, which could result in Morrison facing more sanctions.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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I really think Bandt is mentally ill; either that or evil.
 
wayneL said:
I really think Bandt is mentally ill; either that or evil.
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Yes when someone is getting beaten up, it isnt a good look when a spectator runs in to lay in the boots, shows a complete lack of character IMO.
Nasty piece of work.
At the end of the day, nothing illegal was done, if Morrison had stood on the dias and said I'm getting read in to all these portfolio's, he would have been lambasted as being a control freak or for grandstanding as Abott was for his volunteer work.
It just shows how nasty and vindictive politics can get, most people whether on welfare or on salary support were looked after, its hard to believe the backlash from the supposed caring sector. Lol
 
Knobby22 said:
You need to talk to Frydenburg SP. Explain it to him.
www.smh.com.au

Josh Frydenberg tells how Scott Morrison damaged their friendship over decision to appoint himself to ministries

Scott Morrison began in politics with few friends and ended with even fewer. In an extract from Niki Savva’s new book, Bulldozed, those who were once closest to the former prime minister speak about feeling used and deceived.
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I don't need another persons opinion, in order to form my own, some others should try the same tack. ?
 
Knobby22 said:
Oh well, Frydenburg wlll never realise how great Morrison really was then.
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History will judge Morrison, as with all politicians, not some half ar$ed media witch hunt.
Or some other politician, who wants to get his career back on track.
As will happen to the current politicians, when they are put to the media sword, which as always will happen ;)
I don't see any standouts from, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison, maybe you see it different, everyone to their own.
I see it as a group of self serving pollies, that have ridden a wave of the Australian mineral boom, to try and keep themselves and their careers intact and ahead of the 24/7 media circus.
But for nation building, all I've seen is pandering to a nation that wants more for less, well IMO, that will come to an end very soon and it will be brought to a head around the energy issues. :2twocents
Time will tell, but I think everyone is going to get what they wish for, whether they like it or not. ?
 
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sptrawler said:
History will judge Morrison, as with all politicians, not some half ar$ed media witch hunt.
Or some other politician, who wants to get his career back on track.
As will happen to the current politicians, when they are put to the media sword, which as always will happen ;)
I don't see any standouts from, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison, maybe you see it different, everyone to their own.
I see it as a group of self serving pollies, that have ridden a wave of the Australian mineral boom, to try and keep themselves and their careers intact and ahead of the 24/7 media circus.
But for nation building, all I've seen is pandering to a nation that wants more for less, well IMO, that will come to an end very soon and it will be brought to a head around the energy issues. :2twocents
Time will tell, but I think everyone is going to get what they wish for, whether they like it or not. ?
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Yes well, Rudd did initiate the NBN which Abbott tried to destroy, on the other hand, Turnbull kicked off Snowy Hydro 2.0 which apparently has bi partisan support. Gillard started the NDIS, for better or worse so nation building things have been done.
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes well, Rudd did initiate the NBN which Abbott tried to destroy, on the other hand, Turnbull kicked off Snowy Hydro 2.0 which apparently has bi partisan support. Gillard started the NDIS, for better or worse so nation building things have been done.
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The NBN that the taxpayer put in to replace the copper, so that the telco's could charge us twice as much for the internet we had before and we have now had to write off a $30bn debt the telco's were meant to pay back. Also as was stated in the early days 5G is fast become the preference for people. Nation building or an expensive brain fart, which will end up just putting free to air t.v onto a paid internet service, so those who don't wish to have the internet may end up losing decent free to air t.v.
Also, as I said in the early days of the NBN, the only saving grace for the NBN may well be the fact that it was done as fibre to the node, rather than fibre to the home as the fact the nodes could be transformed into 5g/6g transmitters may have future proofed it to a degree.

www.afr.com

NBN warns on fixed wireless threat

NBN Co says it is increasingly at risk from fixed-wireless alternatives offered by major telcos, arguing it is at a serious cost disadvantage.
www.afr.com www.afr.com
NBN Co says it is increasingly at risk from fixed-wireless alternatives offered by major telcos, arguing it is at a serious cost disadvantage and under siege from increasing investment by smaller players in major cities.
This references efforts by Telstra, Optus and TPG Telecom, which NBN says are all advertising comparable fixed-wireless services at anywhere from $5 to $15 less than its similar fixed-line option.
Fixed-wireless services are seen as a way for telcos to fatten anaemic home internet margins where NBN dominates. With a fixed-wireless service, telcos bypass the NBN and offer internet service over a mobile signal like 5G
Former NBN chief technical officer Gary McLaren said it had taken a long time for NBN to react to this emerging threat.
“But the competition from fixed wireless is now clearly recognised as a big risk to the business and that’s appropriate,” Mr McLaren told AFR Weekend.
NBN’s pricing paper also revealed the government-owned company would no longer seek to recover the full $44 billion sunk into the initial build and instead would only claw back $12.5 billion from retail internet providers.


Or the NDIS, that all and sundry have been ripping off, but until now no one could do anything about it, as it would have been a political attack on those most needy, but now it is o.k. as it is no longer a political attack but a review and audit.
Nation building, or outsourcing what really should be done by a government body and government workers?
www.abc.net.au

'Get off my scheme, the party's over': Bill Shorten reads the riot act to NDIS rorters

The minister in charge of the NDIS has vowed to track down "shonky" disability providers, telling them to "get off my scheme".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au



The Snowy hydro despite yourself and myself thinking it is an essential piece of infrastructure, it has its fair share of critics as we know, I don't think it is seen as nation building piece of infrastructure yet. Despite our thoughts.
reneweconomy.com.au

Snowy 2.0 rapidly turning into “$10 billion white elephant,” experts say

Open letter to the PM warns that Snowy 2.0 pumped hydro project will blow out to roughly double original cost estimates to around $10 billion.
reneweconomy.com.au reneweconomy.com.au
www.abc.net.au

Five times the cost, twice as long: Snowy Hydro 2.0 'a drain on the public purse'

After taxpayers were promised Snowy Hydro 2.0 for $2 billion in four years, the project is now likely to cost five times that amount and take twice as long to be completed.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
www.smh.com.au

Five years on, Snowy 2.0 emerges as a $10 billion white elephant

There is no cause for celebration with this birthday. Snowy 2.0, having blown out to $10 billion-plus from the original $2 billion estimate, will be a burden on taxpayers, cost households more in electricity charges and damage the Kosciuszko National Park.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

But hey everyone has their own take on everything, if everyone saw those P.M's as icons of leadership, they would have held their positions for longer IMO.
Did any of them do two full terms?
 
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sptrawler said:
Snowy hydro
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There's really two big problems with Snowy 2.0

First is simply that the vast majority of public comment is from those with a vested interest in it not being built. They, or their employer, has some preferred alternative (eg gas) and see SH2 as bad simply because it's not the thing they're selling.

Others have a purely political or ideological perspective. It's bad because they gain from criticising either the Coalition, Labor or government in general.

Some simply lack an understanding of the project, its function and realistic alternatives to it. Their comments are from a position of ignorance, failing to grasp what the alternatives actually are and aren't.

And then there are those who do raise legitimate criticism about project management, cost estimates, construction progress and so on. It's undeniably an imperfect project in many ways although, to be fair, I'll argue that comes down more to politicians demanding "best case" as what's announced rather than the more pragmatic approach those running it would take if they made the decision.

Ultimately though if we want renewable energy, or even if we just wanted optimised fossil fuel or nuclear plant, then SH2 is extremely useful infrastructure to facilitate that. It or a direct alternative is required. :2twocents
 
Politics fundamentally is much the same as most things from meetings to hammers. Three questions should always be asked:

1. What is the desired outcome? What would constitute success?

2. Why is this outcome desired? What's the reason for it?

3. How does what you are doing, or proposing to do, contribute to achieving this outcome?

If someone can't immediately answer those three questions, without needing time to come up with answers, then quite simply the thing that's being done ought not be being done. If you don't know why you're having a meeting, if you don't know why you're holding a hammer, if you don't know why you're driving down whatever road, if you don't know why you're seeking election to parliament or trying to get some policy implemented then quite simply it's time wasting at best, downright dangerous at worst.

I suspect quite a few of our politicians would struggle to answer these questions.

Those three questions work with just about anything by the way. :2twocents
 
orr said:
How's that working out for Brexit???

Dumb as a bag of hammers...
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As usual the answer isn't simple, but obviously the majority of voters felt disenfranchised, it did go to a referendum and no doubt it will go to another in the future.
Brexit is still in the early days and the whole World economy is in a mess, so whether Brexit is a positive or a negative over the longer term, will take time to see IMO.


vittana.org

13 Advantages and Disadvantages of the European Union

The European Union was officially founded on November 1, 1993. European treaties and alliances, however,
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futureofworking.com

18 Advantages and Disadvantages of the European Union

Europe was in a terrible condition in 1946. There were two bloody wars that the continent had fought in just one generation, with both conflicts escalating to global status. Some of the countries had been
futureofworking.com futureofworking.com

www.cer.org.uk

What can we know about the cost of Brexit so far?

The UK's GDP is 5.2 per cent smaller than a modelled ‘doppelgänger’ UK that did not leave the EU; investment is 13.7 per cent lower, and goods trade, 13.6 per cent lower. Most of those costs are down to Brexit.
www.cer.org.uk www.cer.org.uk
 
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SirRumpole said:
"Private enterprise is entitled to rewards as long as they follow reasonable rules".

Of course they are, but who defines "reasonable " ?

Like paying their staff a fair wage for a fair day's work, etc.
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Not the point. Calling Bradman a RWNJ for having perfectly reasonable classical liberal economic views? Years after his death.

That is the epitome lefty lunacy... and quite disgusting.
 

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