The Health and Fitness Thread

[MrBurns]

This product might be worth researching as an alternative to expensive injections. It doesn't contain HGH but is supposed to stimulate your body's production of HGH.

http://www.hghformulation.com/

Here's a supplier.

http://www.achievesupplements.com.au/productdetails.php?pid=678&utm_source=getprice&utm_medium=cpc

Thats great many thanks bowman, I think this may be worth giving a try

 

[MrBurns]

what you find in the supplement industry is a lot of products are passed off as the real thing but is not even close to the same....

lots of over the counter stuff like Anabolic or Steroidz etc etc.... illegal sounding products that are legal....

however there are 'legalish' things called pro-hormones that can have quite a few side effects with half the effectiveness and double the price...

I'd be wary of anything like test boosters or HGH boosters....

Ok so how do I tell if this is worth a shot ?

 

[Pappon]

what you find in the supplement industry is a lot of products are passed off as the real thing but is not even close to the same....

lots of over the counter stuff like Anabolic or Steroidz etc etc.... illegal sounding products that are legal....

however there are 'legalish' things called pro-hormones that can have quite a few side effects with half the effectiveness and double the price...

I'd be wary of anything like test boosters or HGH boosters....

very good post and very correct!!!

 

[Pappon]

This product might be worth researching as an alternative to expensive injections. It doesn't contain HGH but is supposed to stimulate your body's production of HGH.

http://www.hghformulation.com/

Here's a supplier.

http://www.achievesupplements.com.au/productdetails.php?pid=678&utm_source=getprice&utm_medium=cpc

If you want the effects of HGH it needs to be injected

 

[bowman]

HGH is produced in the body by the pituitary gland. What I am suggesting is that there may be ways to stimulate the pituitary gland to produce more HGH, rather than injecting it into the body, which frankly seems a rather expensive to do on an ongoing basis.

 

[kitehigh]

From what I understand the HGH levels in the body peak during adolescence.
After you turn 21 HGH levels fall by about 14% per decade. So as an older (40+) person injecting HGH you are merely returning the HGH levels into the body back to somewhere where it was when you were younger.

Like any newish drug we won't know the long term negative side effects(if any) for some time. Although if you are already suffering and injecting HGH has a positive effect on your overall health than I would think the risk already outway the negatives.

 

[Pappon]

HGH is produced in the body by the pituitary gland. What I am suggesting is that there may be ways to stimulate the pituitary gland to produce more HGH, rather than injecting it into the body, which frankly seems a rather expensive to do on an ongoing basis.

yes your correct stating the pituitary gland but using those supplements will produce nothing if any of an increase in HGH and it will not produce the effects that Mr Burns is after, fat loss reversing back the clock, etc type stuff. For that you need the injectable synthetic to get the results

 

[Pappon]

From what I understand the HGH levels in the body peak during adolescence.
After you turn 21 HGH levels fall by about 14% per decade. So as an older (40+) person injecting HGH you are merely returning the HGH levels into the body back to somewhere where it was when you were younger.

Like any newish drug we won't know the long term negative side effects(if any) for some time. Although if you are already suffering and injecting HGH has a positive effect on your overall health than I would think the risk already outway the negatives.

HGH is not new, bodybuilders have been using HGH since Arnold was bodybuilding.

Most side effects are non existant and it is one of the "safer" drugs out there when used at low does this is well know, as with anything don't abuse it.

Hgh i have and i will definately use it again in the future however you really want at least a 6months -1 years cycle for it to do it's magic

 

[motorway]

HGH-----------> deep coordinated breathing with body movement + good night sleep..


On some supplements that maybe have connection to aging

Acetyl l carnitine + Lipioc Acid ( Bruce Ames )


But everything should start with diet and life style

And things one should stop doing as well as things one should be doing

Moving in rhythm with deep breathing has the additional benefit of increasing levels of growth hormone. Growth hormone regulates the body's metabolism of protein, carbohydrate, and fat. It stimulates growth and rebuilding of the body. In grown-ups, high (but not pathological) natural levels of growth hormone will not increase height, of course, but help rebuild the body after exercise.

Growth hormone promotes fat loss and muscle gain; it strengthens ligaments, bone, and joint cartilage and even thickens the skin.

While the European strongmen of old and Chinese wise men did not know the connection between deep breathing during exercise, growth hormone, and other local growth factors, they knew that deep breathing makes exercise more effective””giving more strength, stamina, and health benefits than exercising with shallow breathing.

Increasing growth hormone levels through unnatural means and without exercise gives poor results and bad side effects. For example, injecting growth hormone causes muscles to grow bigger but mushy and weak and joints to become painful. Other methods of injecting (more effective) or ingesting (less effective) “growth hormone releasers,” such as the amino acid arginine, are not as effective as high-intensity or high-volume exercise with short rest breaks.

Thomas Kurz

motorway

 

[Pappon]

I wish you hadn't said that, now I'm tempted.

Did you go to John Levin ?
No

What did it cost you ?
$500 for 100 iu basically $5 an IU normally with a doc you'd probably pay $12 an IU

How long ago ?
2-2 1/2 months ago

Did you have to take anything else with it ?
No, i however always eat fairly clean

How did you feel when you came off it ?
There is no rebound, you don't "crash" you just don't feel as "high" as you did mentally and physically

Did you come off it because of cost ?
Yes, i plan to trade my way to financial freedom so i can support my bodybuilding/fitness lifestyle which i love

I presume everything is back the way it was now you're off it ?

i keep my bodyfat levels fairly low normally so that's okay i'd just say your not on as much of a "high" as when you were taking it

 

[MrBurns]

$500 for 100 iu basically $5 an IU normally with a doc you'd probably pay $12 an IU

Sorry to be dumb but IU is that a a dose or a shot ?

So 100 for $500 would last 3 months ? or 100 days ?

I think I may have it wrong

 

[MrBurns]

No I think that may be right, next question is where do I get it for that price ?

You've been a great help Pappon, many thanks.

 

[Pappon]

Sorry to be dumb but IU is that a a dose or a shot ?

So 100 for $500 would last 3 months ? or 100 days ?

I think I may have it wrong

International unit, you use an insulin syringe to administer it.

I used 2 IU Mon-Fri. So you could say 10 weeks 2.5 months.

I personally would stay at 2IU per day

You wouldn't get it for $500 from a doctor

 

[Julia]

Marry me, you sound like the perfect wife

Hm, it would take some considerable attraction to induce me to ever get married again! Nothing personal, Mr Burns.

 

[white_goodman]

Yes, i plan to trade my way to financial freedom so i can support my bodybuilding/fitness lifestyle which i love

i think im in the same boat, its a lot easier being natural when im younger and poor atm

 

[gav]

what you find in the supplement industry is a lot of products are passed off as the real thing but is not even close to the same....

lots of over the counter stuff like Anabolic or Steroidz etc etc.... illegal sounding products that are legal....

however there are 'legalish' things called pro-hormones that can have quite a few side effects with half the effectiveness and double the price...

I'd be wary of anything like test boosters or HGH boosters....

I thought pro-hormones were illegal in Aust?

 

[MrBurns]

Hm, it would take some considerable attraction to induce me to ever get married again! Nothing personal, Mr Burns.

Well I'll just go over in the corner there and play hard to get, you'll be sorry:

 

[Julia]

Well I'll just go over in the corner there and play hard to get, you'll be sorry:

Ah, now you're talking. Nothing like a challenge, Mr Burns!

 

[MrBurns]

Ah, now you're talking. Nothing like a challenge, Mr Burns!

Ok ok just be gentle ok ?

 

[white_goodman]

I thought pro-hormones were illegal in Aust?

i dont know ive never tried them and i dont buy supps from Australia, overpriced crap if you ask me, stuff like the whole Gaspari range.. superdrol etc...

im quite happy cycling creatine and having plain whey and waxy maize atm, just eating more...

im still doing PB's quite consistently in my 3 lift total.. (squat, dead, bench) with reduced supplementation