The Gillard Government

[drsmith]

Anyway the libs are gone IMV. Labour will be the new right with the greens growing to be the new left.

Ya dreemin now.

 

[moXJO]

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Anyway the libs are gone IMV. Labour will be the new right with the greens growing to be the new left.

Get used to it.

I think both small business and self employed will be the big backlash against labor. No chance of the above happening

 

[sails]

...Anyway the libs are gone IMV. Labour will be the new right with the greens growing to be the new left.

Get used to it.

You are forgetting that there is no fury like an electorate scorned.
The carbon tax lie will not be forgotten.
21 months to go at the latest until an election...

And if Gillard does lurch to the right, she will be in danger of upsetting her existing 30% voter base. The majority are not likely to be fooled any further by someone whose word clearly cannot be trusted.

 

[Julia]

And pray tell, wouldn't Abbott do the same to save his skin.

And what about Malcolm Fraser and Murdock many years ago.

Grow up, this is politics, and yes it is greasy.

"Grow up"??? Because someone raises an objection to a particularly grubby action?

Anyway Abbott probably caused it by the way he marginalised his own member.

Mr Slipper marginalised himself. His electorate is disgusted with him, as is most of Queensland. And for good reason.

Anyway the libs are gone IMV. Labour will be the new right with the greens growing to be the new left.

Get used to it.

A bit of wishful thinking here, explod. I might be quite wrong, but I can see this nasty little bit of manipulation bouncing back against Labor. The electorate is not stupid. Let's see how Mr Slipper behaves as Speaker. Given his capacity for good judgment so far, I'm not optimistic.

 

[sails]

"Grow up"??? Because someone raises an objection to a particularly grubby action?


Mr Slipper marginalised himself. His electorate is disgusted with him, as is most of Queensland. And for good reason.

A bit of wishful thinking here, explod. I might be quite wrong, but I can see this nasty little bit of manipulation bouncing back against Labor. The electorate is not stupid. Let's see how Mr Slipper behaves as Speaker. Given his capacity for good judgment so far, I'm not optimistic.

Ironically, if the libs had done anything like this latest stunt, one can only imagine the name calling and pouncing on Abbott.

But no, instead we have labor/green supporters turning a blind eye to the desperate attempts to cling to power at any cost while denigrating Abbott if he blinks ...

Lastest newspoll still only have labor on 30% primary vote. Really nothing to crow about, Explod.

 

[joea]

Inside Story. AFR.
When Harry Jenkins arrived at Government House yesterday to offer his resignation as Speaker of the House of Representatives to the Governor General, a military band and the ceremonial Federation Guard, in full regalia, were waiting to greet him.
Such a reception requires a lot of notice............. So it seemed to add wait to the conspiracy theory that Jenkins's move was a set up.

Oh well!
Anthony Albanese will regret the lies at the next election.
joea

 

[Timmy]

Inside Story. AFR.
When Harry Jenkins arrived at Government House yesterday to offer his resignation as Speaker of the House of Representatives to the Governor General, a military band and the ceremonial Federation Guard, in full regalia, were waiting to greet him.
Such a reception requires a lot of notice............. So it seemed to add wait to the conspiracy theory that Jenkins's move was a set up.

Oh well!
Anthony Albanese will regret the lies at the next election.
joea

Nice selective quoting; why no source for others to check it?
And now a subsequent paragraph in the AFR story:

The military parade was, indeed, organised well in advance. But it wasn’t in the expectation that Jenkins was on the verge of resigning. The reception was for a clutch of recently appointed foreign ambassadors about to present their credentials.

Oh, and here is the source, for those interested in the full AFR story:
http://www.afr.com/p/national/bowing_out_with_bang_the_inside_m3QeuMxN4kVA0Iymcp1VhL

Looks like Albanese isn't the only one being economical with the truth?

 

[nulla nulla]

Seems to be a lot of foot stamping, hand wringing, teeth gnashing going on. Suck it up ladies and get over it.

 

[sails]

Seems to be a lot of foot stamping, hand wringing, teeth gnashing going on. Suck it up ladies and get over it.

Haha Nulla - and the foot stamping, hand wringing, teeth gnashing over Abbott is all OK?

But I will remind you of this when you don't like decisions made by the coalition when they are in government.... After all, labor only has a primary vote of 30% so you are telling the majority of voters to suck it up. You are in the minority...:

And this from Barrie Cassidy - last paragraph of the article below:

In his first doorstop interview after the Speaker, Harry Jenkins, resigned, Tony Abbott said the Government had "lost its way, lost its majority and lost its speaker", He could have added, they have lost their moral compass as well.

What price government?

Read full article from the ABC: Speaker Slipper now a Government responsibility

 

[explod]

But I will remind you of this when you don't like decisions made by the coalition when they are in government.... After all, labor only has a primary vote of 30% so you are telling the majority of voters to suck it up. You are in the minority...:

And also be reminded that parties in Government in my 50 years of taking notice are notorious for being down in opinion polls mid term.

We have a long way to go now and the ALP in spite of the spite are starting to trend up.

And as said;

get over it

 

[sails]

...And as said;

get over it

Oh, this is so funny. :silly:

Someone from the 30% corner says to "get over it". Or perhaps you are from the 10%. Either way there is a majority of voters who do not agree with you.

Never mind, Explod, you might need the same advice to "get over it" sometime in the next 21 months...:viking:...

 

[sails]

...We have a long way to go now and the ALP in spite of the spite are starting to trend up...

I thought the ALP were trending back down with the latest Newspoll? 57:43 and 30% primary for labor. It's actually not the spite, it's the stuff-ups and debacles that have people so upset with this government. It's passing a major tax that was promised wouldn't be passed at least this term. Lots of things that have shown total disrespect to the majority of voters.

And the silent majority are waiting for the next election just as they did in NSW. :viking:

 

[explod]

Oh, this is so funny. :silly:

Someone from the 30% corner says to "get over it". Or perhaps you are from the 10%. Either way there is a majority of voters who do not agree with you.

Never mind, Explod, you might need the same advice to "get over it" sometime in the next 21 months...:viking:...

Sorry Champ, I am merely a Green just plodding along and could not give a fiddlers for the ALP.

And there is spite and venom, on this thread for a start. And some of these polls are becoming biased too. Nielsen in particular who I did know at a personal level some years ago. Poll results are in fact used to shift opinion. Worked on surveys myself in another life, and it is all about how you ask a question.

As I have intimated before, Governments are powerless in the face of oil and coal companies. The big money run Governments.

So do a bit of digging and get onto something that is going to help, as all the pollies should too.

 

[drsmith]

I am merely a Green just plodding along.......

I'm mainstream, so there. :

 

[sails]

Sorry Champ, I am merely a Green just plodding along and could not give a fiddlers for the ALP.

And there is spite and venom, on this thread for a start. And some of these polls are becoming biased too. Nielsen in particular who I did know at a personal level some years ago. Poll results are in fact used to shift opinion. Worked on surveys myself in another life, and it is all about how you ask a question.

As I have intimated before, Governments are powerless in the face of oil and coal companies. The big money run Governments.

So do a bit of digging and get onto something that is going to help, as all the pollies should too.

Explod, probably what you see as spite an venom is the result of being dudded (carbon tax lie), frustration and some anger at the way this government thumbs it's nose at the electorate.

If the polls could be controlled as you suggest, I would think Gillard would have wrapped that up by now. At least one journalist and one radio announcer have lost their jobs it seems directly due to her intervention. Media inquiries seem to be biased against anyone who tells the whole truth.

And, my responses were to your telling dudded voters "to get over it". No hope of that and patiently waiting for the next election when democracy can finally have it's say.

 

[explod]

Explod, probably what you see as spite an venom is the result of being dudded (carbon tax lie), frustration and some anger at the way this government thumbs it's nose at the electorate.

If the polls could be controlled as you suggest, I would think Gillard would have wrapped that up by now. At least one journalist and one radio announcer have lost their jobs it seems directly due to her intervention. Media inquiries seem to be biased against anyone who tells the whole truth.

And, my responses were to your telling dudded voters "to get over it". No hope of that and patiently waiting for the next election when democracy can finally have it's say.

Carbon tax was not a lie, simply a politician changing mind as they all do. The new Lib Govt down here in victoria have virtually torn up the rule book on promises.

Not saying polls are controlled, I am saying that the media put a lot of emphasis on such results yet mid term they often do not say a lot about real intentions. At the ballot box faced with real consequences individuals often act differently. Mid term they may use it to send a message to smarten up. Here the vote counts for no more than a say, therefore the weight of importance may be very different in the mind of the person polled.

People have few choices over their lives or what pollies do today, so I wonder if we can really call it democracy anymore.

 

[drsmith]

On second thought, I'm Green

 

[drsmith]

People have few choices over their lives or what pollies do today, so I wonder if we can really call it democracy anymore.

It's not.

It's crap from all sides, including those pesky Greens.

 

[IFocus]

Laughable watching Abbott thrash about for a situation he helped make.

How the Liberal party thought they could side line slippery Pete with out consequences is surely a serious lack of judgment.

Abbott has demonstrated he is the master of being Doctor Noooo but has no depth when it comes to leadership.

Hockey's claims of Abbott not contacting one of the independents is just further evidence the guy is a dunce.

Lets see how tough Abbott really is once the blow torch gets applied......not very I suspect.

 

[Julia]

As I have intimated before, Governments are powerless in the face of oil and coal companies. The big money run Governments.

That's a popular bit of Greens dogma.
If it were actually so, then the vociferous objections to the carbon tax from the business lobby would have had some effect. They have not.