Would ASF members perhaps record their view about Stephen Smith taking over?
I think it was Calliope who suggested he simply wasn't 'nasty enough' to do the job.
I get that. But aren't we just all totally over all the nastiness and personal insults which seems to be taking the place of proper policy development? And wouldn't therefore someone fairly calm and quiet natured like Mr Smith be quite welcome?
If he were to take the leadership and announce that the carbon tax will be put on hold until after the next election, and that the government will accede to the Libs' proviso that Nauru be used to ensure off shore processing, isn't there a reasonable chance that this would boost Labor's stakes considerably?
I'd personally feel encouraged by Mr Smith replacing either Gillard or Rudd, both of whom fill me with despair, and I'd guess that the electorate over all is completely sick of all the viciousness which has so characterised politics since Rudd first became Prime Minister.
Many pages above, I said the victims are the Australian people and Chris Bowen. I still hold to that view. Someone with potential, but of the Right. Crucified by this appointment...Chris Bowen looks embarrassed..
To the Labor Party cabinet............will just one of your members please pull the pin from that hand grenade and let it roll under the cabinet table...........Literally speaking of course.
To prolong the agony of this disfunctional government the more voters are becoming angry.
You seem to be in real pain. I think the best you can hope for, is for Steven Smith to head Labor in Opposition. There is no chance of Rudd ever settling for Opposition Leader. His overbearing presumption of superiority wouldn't wear it.
Literally? http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally
Great regard for Barrie, but that piece in the Drum is a litany of wishful thinking from (imho) a left of centre viewpoint.The ABC's Barry Cassidy now aknowledges the end of Gillard Labor, even if it's through the prism of sour grapes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-20/cassidy-coalition-numbers-game/3580504
A second is Greens.Great regard for Barrie, but that piece in the Drum is a litany of wishful thinking from (imho) a left of centre viewpoint.
For example, "...Abbott and the Coalition impacted on boat arrivals through its numbers in the Parliament, together with the Greens. Their implied strength caused the Government to abandon legislation that would have allowed for offshore processing and the adoption of the Malaysian agreement..."
Really? One word for Barrie - Nauru. Does Barrie really think that onshore processing is the wish of, or because of...the Coalition?
Well, Knobby, just imagine how much more depressed would be the support for Ms Gillard and her party if the public actually liked Tony Abbott!
That the Opposition can still be so strongly in the two party preferred lead in the face of so many not being charmed by their leader says just as much about the government as it does about the opposition imo.
Yes, its rather fascinating.
Noco, I respect your view about Mr Abbott, but I think to attribute his lack of popularity to just his superficial characteristics is not really right.Well, it is the old old story. Many naive voters fall for charisma. If Abbott was a more handsome bloke with a toothy smile, sex appeal and mouthed off a heap of jovial BS, he would be more popular.
Voters should look at the capabilities of a leader. He obviously has done something right to have the party so far in front.
Many voters can't see the wood for the trees.
Yeahbut Dullard, Swine et al have taken Oz so far to the left, we need a righty just to get us back to the middle again.Noco, I respect your view about Mr Abbott, but I think to attribute his lack of popularity to just his superficial characteristics is not really right.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my concerns are more about his apparent willingness to change his view according to the person/group he's speaking to or about. This, imo, indicates a lack of conviction, something you could never have said about John Howard. I would worry that this lack of conviction would inevitably lead to lack of authority in office, very similar to what we're seeing with Julia Gillard.
Am also less than comfortable with his ultra conservative attitudes about abortion, stem cell research etc.
Yes, he has been very successful as an opposition leader, but that's a very different matter from being a successful Prime Minister, imo. He might rise to the position and do the job well, particularly if supported by a competent cabinet. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be all that much talent behind him either.
Well, it is the old old story. Many naive voters fall for charisma. If Abbott was a more handsome bloke with a toothy smile, sex appeal and mouthed off a heap of jovial BS, he would be more popular.
Voters should look at the capabilities of a leader. He obviously has done something right to have the party so far in front.
Many voters can't see the wood for the trees.
Yeahbut Dullard, Swine et al have taken Oz so far to the left, we need a righty just to get us back to the middle again.
Yep lets raise a tax on corporations and run a parental leave scheme.
Perhaps give people credit for being able to think for themselves. It's a bit insulting to suggest forum members can only parrot what is said by the media, which for that matter is very diverse in what it says.The media have brain washed them that way.
So, from this singular experience with a particular company, you have deduced that all potential PM's will be entirely satisfactory?I worked for a company and when we were about to select personnel, everybody had a positive or negative comment about them.
What I found was that when you sat down with a person who had the opportunity to better himself, they always performed.
Most likely he will. But that need not blind people to his disattributes.So after two disasters with Labor, why would Abbott not be a better PM than what Labor has provided?
That's a really good point. He has indeed united the team really well.He will work with his "team" and not as an individual. He has demonstrated that.
True enough. He fell in love with the job and developed an unrealistic sense of his own infallibility. Had he handed over to Peter Costello, it's very unlikely the country would be in the mess it's in today.Just remember what toppled Howard was his belief in "me".
Well, her success was very short lived.The man could not even hold his seat from a newbie.
Totally agree, Sails.All that is likely to be seen as very much secondary.
Abbott's first job is to rid this country of the unwanted carbon tax and re-instate the Pacific solution.
He will be seen as a national hero for those two things alone.
I agree with you noco.
The majority of people on this forum are trying to preempt what he will do, and feed on every comment he makes.
The media have brain washed them that way.
I worked for a company and when we were about to select personnel, everybody had a positive or negative comment about them.
What I found was that when you sat down with a person who had the opportunity to better himself, they always performed.
So after two disasters with Labor, why would Abbott not be a better PM than what Labor has provided?
He will work with his "team" and not as an individual. He has demonstrated that.
Just remember what toppled Howard was his belief in "me".
The man could not even hold his seat from a newbie.
Finally the game of the media, " it to compile words to sell papers or computer time", and it generally varies from the truth a little.
joea
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