The Gillard Government

[sptrawler]

Extraordinarily beat-up about smokes.

Just like our jails detainees earn points which they can exchange for everyday items.

Smokes happen to be every day items that are available.

Yet read the crap and you would think the immigration dept is forcing smokes down their throats.

BTW the libertarian conservative legends of the Liberal Party (that's your mob)believe smoking is OK as its peoples own choice.

As Nick Minchin pointed out its good for our health system as smokers die younger and are a lesser burden over all on the costs of our health system.

Now there an insight to a humans thinking.

Some thing to look forward to once Abbott takes over.

Actually Ifocus, I am starting to turn to your way of thinking, give Labor and the Greens another turn in office.
It should be a real hoot.
Let everyone get what they deserve.
Or is it let no good deed go unpunished.

 

[Logique]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...raham-richardson/story-fn3dxity-1226159263342

Labor Party facing crisis, says Graham Richardson
"Labor is facing an unimaginable crisis and must find a way to rebuild support across the country, former party powerbroker Graham Richardson says....'It is now a sad fact to reveal that Labor cannot poll 30 per cent in any state in Australia,' Mr Richardson said at the launch of former NSW minister Frank Sartor's new book, The Fog On The Hill: How NSW Labor Lost Its Way....'That is a crisis that none of us could ever imagine'...'There's no doubt about it, Labor's lost its way, and it needs to find it again soon,' Mr Richardson said.'"

 

[boofhead]

Seems internally Labor has too many fires and focuses more about what is happening on the inside instead of doing what the people vote them to do. The factions should give more ground and at times be pleased for gradual moves towards their goals. Seems too many people are interested in their own turf. Smarter faction leaders should think the longer Labor is in power, the they can change from Howard's way to their way. They need to keep the populace on side.

Labor also needs to look at how it forms policies and then tries to sell it. Rudd's desire to get stuff done now and too much talk seems to have damaged things too.

 

[sails]

Latest Newspoll - still not good for labor and there is additional information on which party is best to handle various issues:

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/10/11/1226163/501640-111011-newspoll.pdf

 

[trainspotter]

..... just superimpose Juliar Gizzards head on the blonde.

 

[medicowallet]

..... just superimpose Juliar Gizzards head on the blonde.

View attachment 44870

Blasphemy,

The blonde is a looker.

I would hate to have that nice looking doll, with our PM's voice..

 

[joea]

Hi.
I offer two wordings from Thomas Jefferson.

1 " My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too
much government."

2 "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful annd tryannical."

joea

 

[Logique]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...eadership-battle/story-fn59niix-1226167163954
Push for Stephen Smith to head off Kevin Rudd in leadership battle
by: Dennis Shanahan and Matthew Franklin From: The Australian October 15, 2011

"..Mr Smith has emerged as a popular leadership option for the Labor Party in new research that shows he is more highly regarded than Ms Gillard or Mr Rudd.
In a survey of 1108 people conducted by website Online Opinion, Mr Smith won 58 per cent of voter support to Ms Gillard's 42 per cent on a two-candidate-preferred basis..

..Writing in The Weekend Australian today, Online Opinion chief editor Graham Young, says he gave respondents six leadership possibilities: Ms Gillard, Mr Rudd, Mr Smith, Greg Combet, Simon Crean and Bill Shorten. Ms Gillard, Mr Rudd and Mr Smith together commanded 75 per cent of first-preference votes.

'When we eliminated Shorten, Combet and Crean, in order, Smith streaked ahead, followed by Gillard with Rudd a touch behind,' Mr Young writes..."

 

[drsmith]

Push for Stephen Smith to head off Kevin Rudd in leadership battle

News must think all its Xmases have come at once.

 

[noco]

I just wish to hell some miricale would happen so we can have another election and stop all the crap that is going on with this inept Green/Labor socialist left wing government.



ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!

 

[drsmith]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!

You're not alone.

 

[Julia]

I just wish to hell some miricale would happen so we can have another election and stop all the crap that is going on with this inept Green/Labor socialist left wing government.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!

Don't give up, noco. Now that Victoria Police are investigating Craig Thomson, he could yet be the government's undoing.

Then there's the possibility of Wilkie's poker machine 'reforms' not getting through in which case he will withdraw support for the government.

And then there's the inescapable fact that Labor are at war amongst themselves, viz just the latest disagreement between Chris Bowen and Gillard on immigration policy, plus our Kev and his machiavellian moves behind the scenes.

I'd say it would only take one more really bad Newspoll and it will be game on for Labor, especially now that they are obviously positioning Stephen Smith (poor bugger) to step in if there's a challenge from Rudd.

 

[Calliope]

I'd say it would only take one more really bad Newspoll and it will be game on for Labor, especially now that they are obviously positioning Stephen Smith (poor bugger) to step in if there's a challenge from Rudd.

Forget about Smith. He is subservient to Rudd. When Rudd was PM and Smith was Foreign Minister Rudd treated him like a lackey. I doubt if he has the nastiness to be a contender.

 

[Calliope]

Julia is looking tired and fragile. Rudd is looking on top of the world. I'm afraid this thread has only a short term left. The very thought of Rudd resuming as PM is sickening.

JULIA Gillard will "read the riot act" to her most senior ministers over an explosive leak of secret Cabinet debate on asylum seeker policy.
In a blow that further destabilises Ms Gillard's leadership, extraordinary detail revealing the bitter divide within Labor's senior ranks has emerged over a failed bid to re-open Nauru detention centre.
The unprecedented leak has infuriated the Prime Minister's closest backers and opened up fresh factional wounds within the party.

Chris Bowen looks embarrassed;

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/pm-...ak/story-e6frfkw9-1226167645410#ixzz1atu8mFwf

 

[noco]

Don't give up, noco. Now that Victoria Police are investigating Craig Thomson, he could yet be the government's undoing.

Then there's the possibility of Wilkie's poker machine 'reforms' not getting through in which case he will withdraw support for the government.

And then there's the inescapable fact that Labor are at war amongst themselves, viz just the latest disagreement between Chris Bowen and Gillard on immigration policy, plus our Kev and his machiavellian moves behind the scenes.

I'd say it would only take one more really bad Newspoll and it will be game on for Labor, especially now that they are obviously positioning Stephen Smith (poor bugger) to step in if there's a challenge from Rudd.

Julia, I am not sure if Craig Thomson is charged with fraud if he will be compelled to resgn or if we with have to wait for the court case. Gillard and Labor will continue to talk about the presumptiom of innocence untill proven guilty.

With Wilke, I believe they are trying to come to a compromise.

Yes, there could be an implosion in cabinet.

Lets hope one or all events takes place.

 

[Calliope]

Julia, I am not sure if Craig Thomson is charged with fraud if he will be compelled to resgn or if we with have to wait for the court case. Gillard and Labor will continue to talk about the presumptiom of innocence untill proven guilty.

With Wilke, I believe they are trying to come to a compromise.

Yes, there could be an implosion in cabinet.

Lets hope one or all events takes place.

When Rudd becomes PM, as he surely will, I doubt that he will command a majority in the house.

 

[sails]

When Rudd becomes PM, as he surely will, I doubt that he will command a majority in the house.

If Rudd becomes PM, it is possible he would need to call an election quickly to capitalise on his high polling and before people remember why his polling was dropping when Gillard was sent in to help labor find it's way....

However, I understand there was a leadership poll in the last few days where Stephen Smith outpolled all others including Rudd. Only time will tell...

 

[Julia]

If Rudd becomes PM, it is possible he would need to call an election quickly to capitalise on his high polling and before people remember why his polling was dropping when Gillard was sent in to help labor find it's way....

However, I understand there was a leadership poll in the last few days where Stephen Smith outpolled all others including Rudd. Only time will tell...

Would ASF members perhaps record their view about Stephen Smith taking over?
I think it was Calliope who suggested he simply wasn't 'nasty enough' to do the job.

I get that. But aren't we just all totally over all the nastiness and personal insults which seems to be taking the place of proper policy development? And wouldn't therefore someone fairly calm and quiet natured like Mr Smith be quite welcome?

If he were to take the leadership and announce that the carbon tax will be put on hold until after the next election, and that the government will accede to the Libs' proviso that Nauru be used to ensure off shore processing, isn't there a reasonable chance that this would boost Labor's stakes considerably?

I'd personally feel encouraged by Mr Smith replacing either Gillard or Rudd, both of whom fill me with despair, and I'd guess that the electorate over all is completely sick of all the viciousness which has so characterised politics since Rudd first became Prime Minister.

 

[Ferret]

The next election is unwinnable for labor. They would be better off keeping Smith unsullied and giving him the job of trying to revive their standing as leader of the opposition.

 

[Julia]

The next election is unwinnable for labor. They would be better off keeping Smith unsullied and giving him the job of trying to revive their standing as leader of the opposition.

Agree, Ferret. Your suggestion is probably a bit too sensible for Labor to adopt.