Julia
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I didn't think so either. It seemed a pretty factual account to me.
The Gillard Government
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Yes I got off track there, the extract doesn't mention it but it will be in the book somewhere no doubt.
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That's the first I knew of the full statement, if that's what she said how could the Labor party allow that to get out of control ?
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"Public support for Gillard and her government started crashing in February 2011, after she announced she would introduce a carbon pricing scheme. Her critics claimed she had broken an ironclad election promise not to introduce a ''carbon tax''. During the election campaign she had stated: ''There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.'' This is what she announced, but not as far as those in the opposition and hysterical commentariat were concerned".
A rose (or tax) by any other name is still a rose (tax).
Incredible to look back afterwards and see that this one statement, so early on, was already the beginning of the end for Gillard and to top it all off, it was self-inflicted.
It reminds me Licoln's saying, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.".
A rose (or tax) by any other name is still a rose (tax).
Incredible to look back afterwards and see that this one statement, so early on, was already the beginning of the end for Gillard and to top it all off, it was self-inflicted.
It reminds me Licoln's saying, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.".
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If we want to look broadly at the impression Labor attempted to give the electorate on carbon pricing during the 2010 election campaign, the first post of the carbon tax thread lays it out clearly.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21961&p=614322&viewfull=1#post614322
If Labor were going to introduce it during the 2010/13 term, then like any other economy wide tax, a complete plan should have been put to the electorate as John Howard did with the GST in 1998.
In political terms, Julia Gillard has ended up paying the ultimate price for her mistake.
I have no problem with what she said, just with the ranting way she said it. Certainly she made some valid points about the Labor sisterhood. But she didn’t have to descend to an undignified Gillard-style rant to do it – surely she could have got her message across without lowering herself to Gillard’s grubby standards.
The one redeeming factor for Ms Cash was that she spoke truthfully, in stark comparison to Gillard’s rants that were 100% lies.
My wife came into our lounge room when Ms Cash was on TV snarling and ranting and waving her hands around, and her reaction was ‘Who the heck is that woman and what’s she ranting and raving about’?
When I told her the ranter was a coalition senator, her answer was ‘Well she needs to tone it down a bit, otherwise she looks no better than Julia Gillard’.
One of the TV commentators summed up Ms Cash’s performance by saying ‘Some members of the opposition are clearly rattled by Rudd’s return’.
My point exactly - she needs to tone it down, leave out the histrionics , and then she could be an effective strike weapon for the opposition.
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If Rudd falls ill Anthony Albanese, will be PM........think about it.
Yes, the prospect of having a clown like Albo in the top job is pretty scary!
If it's possible for any man to be more stupid and incompetent than Rudd and Gillard, then Albanese could just be that man.
Gillard claims that as a result of her prime ministership, it will be easier for the next woman, and the one after that, and the one after her, to go right to the top of politics.
My view is that Gillard put the cause of women in politics back many years.
I see no reason why women can’t do the top job just as well as men, but it might be harder to convince voters of that after the last three years of witnessing the abject failure that was Australia’s first female PM.
My view is that Gillard put the cause of women in politics back many years.
I see no reason why women can’t do the top job just as well as men, but it might be harder to convince voters of that after the last three years of witnessing the abject failure that was Australia’s first female PM.
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Bishop is your classic "loyal" deputy.
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Albo, of course will be acting PM while Kevin 747 is tripping about. I think Rudd will delay the election long enough to make triumphal "look at me" overseas tours.
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Last time he tried that a massive Climate Sceptic Bomb (or CSB) blew up in his face.....he still bears the scars.
Julia
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Yes, and hasn't he also suggested he might even take Mr Abbott along to the G20? I can just picture it: Rudd strutting the world stage, Tony trailing behind him like Tim did after Gillard.
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True - but even the prospect of having that dead beat Albo in the top job for just a few weeks while Rudd is out of the country, is more than a little bit disturbing.
People like Albanese shouldn't be leading the country even for a few weeks...he's just not leadership material.
But then neither was Gillard, as the last three years have shown. Or Rudd either for that matter.
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The latest Morgan poll gives you some false hope.
http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Findings/2013/July/5010-Fed-Vote-July-1-2013.pdf
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That's good. It might encourage Rudd to go to the polls earlier.
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Not if he's also looking at the Sportsbet odds. That still has Labor way behind.
I suspect he's going to try to spend his way back into office and the election timing will be determined by the public response to that.
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The first fatal blow....for her and Labor
The final blow to this whole sorry saga will be executed by the Australian public on Saturday 7th September 2013!
The final blow to this whole sorry saga will be executed by the Australian public on Saturday 7th September 2013!
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Today is the third anniversary of those words.
It's a pity her government died of shame at the hands of Kevin Rudd, Bill Shorten and the Labor sisterhood before the electorate got its chance to put it out of its misery.
Happy anniversary Juliar.
