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sydboy007 said:
I just hope that all the criticisms of the current Govt are kept in reserve should they be required for a new Abbott Govt.

I'd love to know how long Abbott should be allowed to blame Labor for all his problems. How long till that excuse is no longer valid?
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Gillard and swan are still blaming Howard even though they promised to stop the blame game after the first year. NSW I haven't heard too much from Barry regarding labor stuffing up the state of late or from CNew up in QLD. Maybe they have I just haven't heard it.

FxTrader said:
The Libs are positioning themselves as the Austerity Party at a time when other economies, who have had this approach to financial prudence imposed on them, are struggling badly. Loose monetary policy and deficit spending is now being seen by many as the panacea to avoid the dreaded R word.

If the Australian economy goes into recession in 2014/15 it will be interesting to see if the Libs stick to the less government, lower spending mantra they expect to sustain their popularity. Slash and burn politics is not what kept Howard in office, it was reckless generosity trying to out promise Labor with pre-election largess. I suspect that Abbott and Co will sow the seeds for their demise if they adopt the austerity line in response to recessionary pressure.
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Yeah I don't know if you could call anything the libs doing atm as austerity measures. They are barely making a scratch to the surface of the bloated govt departments, imo he isn't going far enough.
 
moXJO said:
Gillard and swan are still blaming Howard even though they promised to stop the blame game after the first year. NSW I haven't heard too much from Barry regarding labor stuffing up the state of late or from CNew up in QLD. Maybe they have I just haven't heard it.
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That puts them in it too, literally.
 
drsmith said:
That puts them in it too, literally.
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Swans garbage is coming home to roost.:D

Another recession, we had to have, under Labor, coming up.IMO:xyxthumbs

Thankfully we have the mining tax and carbon tax, to see us over.lol

Now there is a lot of talk about Australia needing to adopt a food and agriculture economy. Doesn't it just crack you up the irony of it.
 
sptrawler said:
Now there is a lot of talk about Australia needing to adopt a food and agriculture economy. Doesn't it just crack you up the irony of it.
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Absolutely laughable. The average age of farmers is reported to be 62, and fruit producers in their late 50's.

Australia will be in a food shock in as little as the next 5 years.

We can't compete against countries that:

a) subsidise their growers
b) pay a dollar a day wages

Good luck with that.

Don't get me started on the biosecurity threat the imports we already have entering the country possess.
 
springhill said:
Absolutely laughable. The average age of farmers is reported to be 62, and fruit producers in their late 50's.

Australia will be in a food shock in as little as the next 5 years.

We can't compete against countries that:

a) subsidise their growers
b) pay a dollar a day wages

Good luck with that.

Don't get me started on the biosecurity threat the imports we already have entering the country possess.
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Don't worry about it, we will have a lot of younger farmers here soon, as China buys up the farms.:xyxthumbs

Also China won't have any problem finding the money to get the water from the north for irrigation.lol
We would rather spend it on high speed download, what a hoot.:D
 
springhill said:
Absolutely laughable. The average age of farmers is reported to be 62, and fruit producers in their late 50's.

Australia will be in a food shock in as little as the next 5 years.

We can't compete against countries that:

a) subsidise their growers
b) pay a dollar a day wages

Good luck with that.

Don't get me started on the biosecurity threat the imports we already have entering the country possess.
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Just to add more detail. There used to be 15 fruit exporters out the Perth area around 20 years ago. Today there are just 2.

My father manages one of them. I asked him about export volumes over the last 20 years just last week for a counter action to an idiotic Govt report.
From memory he exported over 200,000 boxes of fruit (from memory, the figure may be much higher) 20 years ago. This year he did less than 25,000.

We find it hard to land a box of plums in Asia for under $25 without losing money. Our competitors, mainly Chile, Argentina and South Africa can land them for around $10-12. They grow fruit of good exportable quality, much like us.

We have been annihilated from world wide markets and the same future looms locally.
 
springhill said:
Just to add more detail. There used to be 15 fruit exporters out the Perth area around 20 years ago. Today there are just 2.

My father manages one of them. I asked him about export volumes over the last 20 years just last week for a counter action to an idiotic Govt report.
From memory he exported over 200,000 boxes of fruit (from memory, the figure may be much higher) 20 years ago. This year he did less than 25,000.

We find it hard to land a box of plums in Asia for under $25 without losing money. Our competitors, mainly Chile, Argentina and South Africa can land them for around $10-12. They grow fruit of good exportable quality, much like us.

We have been annihilated from world wide markets and the same future looms locally.
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As you get a bit older you tend to see how all parts of society are self serving, government included.
Your dad probably "killed the pig" when things were good, which he should have done.

IMO The problem we have now.
We have a global economy, we buy stuff on the internet, other countries look at us and see what they can compete on.
They know what your overheads are and price accordingly.
IMO the only advantages we have over other countries are:
Easily accessable minerals, but high extraction costs.
Huge coal reserves, thereby cheap energy. But won't use it for illogical pollitical reasons.
Massive arable land areas, we have 22 times more than China and 4 times more than the U.S.

But for some reason we are spending 'bling' money on improving internet speeds to the house.
So they can do WHAT.:cry:
 
sptrawler said:
IMO the only advantages we have over other countries are:
Easily accessable minerals, but high extraction costs.
Huge coal reserves, thereby cheap energy. But won't use it for illogical pollitical reasons.
Massive arable land areas, we have 22 times more than China and 4 times more than the U.S.
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We have far more to offer to the world than what's in the ground.
We have a highly educated, experienced and healthy population, with a work ethic second to very few. We may have to adjust structurally to various pressures from around the world but I don't think we're doomed.
 
Our main problem is that our forward thinking is only four years or so (i.e. the next election).
 
sptrawler said:
Another thing that I'm finding annoying is, these immature reporters, stating the obvious post mortem.

http://smh.drive.com.au/the-worst-candidate-for-government-help-20130523-2k475.html

Why, if he thought it was so obviuos Ford was going to fail, didn't he scream and shout when the government threw money at them?
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Not trying to pick a fight..

Link.

Peter Martin - Monday said:
On Thursday Labor’s Ken Rudd promised another handout of another half a billion dollars to Australian carmakers, this time to encourage them to build ‘greener’ cars.

We already hand Australia’s big four car manufacturers assistance worth more than $1 billion a year – and that’s just from the Commonwealth government. No one knows quite how much South Australia and Victoria chip in as well.

Yet the sad truth that for all the repeated talk about how important it is to have Holden, Ford, Toyota and Mitsubishi here in Australia making new cars - ordinary Australians won’t buy them.
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If you look at a number of reports he has made, you are correct in that he has adopted a neutral position. But his opinion pieces appear to correlate with what you think he should have done and it may be that ole chestnet about bias in the media i.e. people do try to do reporting from a neutral perspective but it is seen through our own perspectives.
 
sptrawler said:
As you get a bit older you tend to see how all parts of society are self serving, government included.
Your dad probably "killed the pig" when things were good, which he should have done.
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You would think so but 20 years ago the export price on a tray of peaches was anywhere from $5-10. A 13kg box of plums was $12-18.

Doesn't leave a lot of fat for profit. Of course costs were low as was the AUD was lower.

Even with the AUD as low as 80c Aussie fruit producers would still be uncompetitive.

Dad thinks that even with the AUD at 70c we would still be behind the 8-ball.

Anyways sorry for sidetracking, but Ludwig has been a disaster for food production.

Funnily enough if you ask the guys in the Perth Hill's who their favourite State Ag Minister was and nearly to a man they will say Kim Chance (Labor).
 

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